Love or Hate - Page 3

March 29, 2008, 8:27 AM

Yes, but this kind of pain is not simply like cutting your finger. It could be everlasting. Like there are people that kill themselves over it, and others who lead miserable lives because they're stuck with someone that isn't what they expected, but because of love, they don't feel like they should leave them, or they're left with feelings that heal slowly, or never heal at all. I guess love is like one of those things where you feel it all the time, so if it feels great, then you're in heaven, and if it doesn't, then it's like living in hell.

March 29, 2008, 5:54 PM

Love, hatred, joy or sorrow, all of those are equal links of the chain that binds us all to commit actions we wouldn't normally do. People kill themselves for sorrow, and sorrow can be created out of love.

Hatred can give birth to love just like love can create hatred. Love/joy and hatred/sorrow are only two opposite forces, two sides of a coin, eternally bound to guide our path, it is our motivation.

When we are given the choice to choose between one path or the other, we indirectly toss the coin and our decisions represent that same coin striking the ground and turning to one side.

A coin usually never falls on its edge, hence why there's not a normal and equal balance between love and hate. But when it does, the result is someone who is resilient to follow either of the choices present as love and hate, and insists on building his/her own path, aside from the irrationality born out of being a follower of either love, or hatred.

Neither is good or evil, neither of those feelings is perfect or imperfect. They exist only because we want them to exist, because as humans we need a motivation to exist, to lead our lives to one preexisting path.

March 29, 2008, 6:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Angelus-Mortis

Yes, but this kind of pain is not simply like cutting your finger. It could be everlasting. Like there are people that kill themselves over it, and others who lead miserable lives because they're stuck with someone that isn't what they expected, but because of love, they don't feel like they should leave them, or they're left with feelings that heal slowly, or never heal at all. I guess love is like one of those things where you feel it all the time, so if it feels great, then you're in heaven, and if it doesn't, then it's like living in hell.

I think you've mentioned that you've never experienced love (I could be wrong?), and I honestly think it's difficult to discuss something that you've never experienced.

Pain from love is not everlasting unless you have a mental imbalance or something. In my opinion, perfectly balanced people do not kill themselves in the name of love. If someone kills themselves in the name of love, it's just as likely that they would have killed themselves over some other problem. I also don't think love is irrational. There is always some sort of reason that a person loves another. Whether its because the person is attractive (though I'd argue that people can't love each other based on physical attraction...I'll just leave that one alone right now.....), kind, or has some sort of attractive quality. Even if it's difficult for others to see why someone loves someone else, there is always some underlying reason. People don't just randomly love others. Love does make people do strange things, but there is always some sort of motivating factor behind their actions, so it's not completely irrational.

Love is definitely worth it to me. I've experienced it and been really hurt by it, and I wouldn't change a thing. Going through life and avoiding certain things for fear of getting hurt really isn't living at all to me. I'm not suggesting everyone goes and sticks their hands in a blender or anything, but-- as cheesy and barfy as it sounds-- love is easily one of the best human experiences. Avoiding it just because you don't want to be hurt seems a little silly and cowardly. You can't really make a rational analysis and say "it's not worth it" because you haven't actually experienced love (again, I just assume from some previous statements).

March 29, 2008, 7:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Erythritol

I think you've mentioned that you've never experienced love (I could be wrong?), and I honestly think it's difficult to discuss something that you've never experienced.

But we hear and observe love from other people, and what they tell you about it, but it's at least true that love is different for different people. But from what I've seen happening to other people and in other accounts, it doesn't sound particularly worth it to me. At least for someone like myself.

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Pain from love is not everlasting unless you have a mental imbalance or something. In my opinion, perfectly balanced people do not kill themselves in the name of love. If someone kills themselves in the name of love, it's just as likely that they would have killed themselves over some other problem. I also don't think love is irrational. There is always some sort of reason that a person loves another. Whether its because the person is attractive (though I'd argue that people can't love each other based on physical attraction...I'll just leave that one alone right now.....), kind, or has some sort of attractive quality. Even if it's difficult for others to see why someone loves someone else, there is always some underlying reason. People don't just randomly love others. Love does make people do strange things, but there is always some sort of motivating factor behind their actions, so it's not completely irrational.

Well, I wasn't too concerned about love itself being irrational, but that it drives people to doing irrational things. But doesn't it just make you wonder how it is that certain people love each other? You may think there's someone that's a complete and total asshole, and yet, he still has a girlfriend. And maybe there are nice people, but a person in love has difficulty separating a person who's genuinely nice from someone only pretending to be nice. They may even have people around them telling them that it's not worth it and that they know the said person better than the person in love with him or her, but because of love, they never listen. You may say the reasoning for love is justified, but that doesn't change the fact that it drives people to doing crazy things.

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Love is definitely worth it to me. I've experienced it and been really hurt by it, and I wouldn't change a thing. Going through life and avoiding certain things for fear of getting hurt really isn't living at all to me. I'm not suggesting everyone goes and sticks their hands in a blender or anything, but-- as cheesy and barfy as it sounds-- love is easily one of the best human experiences. Avoiding it just because you don't want to be hurt seems a little silly and cowardly. You can't really make a rational analysis and say "it's not worth it" because you haven't actually experienced love (again, I just assume from some previous statements).

Well, I wouldn't be willing to gamble my money--sure, you can win a lot of money, but you can also lose a lot of money. In the same way I wouldn't be willing to gamble my life over something as irrational as love. It's all simply a matter of consequences. Touch fire and you get burned. Try to pick up a rose, and you get pricked. Should I jump off a cliff to see whether or not I'm going to die? Even though I haven't, I am quite certain that the physics behind it suggests I most likely will. You can determine whether or not something is worth it by knowing the consequences.

There is a fine line between courage and stupidity.

March 29, 2008, 9:47 PM

Well why don't you look at it in my perspective, I have had very strong moments of both Love, and Hate and here are my explanations.

Hate :- Being brought up in Manchester area, I have been in many suburbs that are extremely rough, I have grown up and seen many faces, most of which have been enemies.

I have had guys pounding me everyday all in groups and I Hated them because they where stereotypical towards myself and my friends. Everyday, I used to see them, the Hate which was within myself was uncontrollable I started to give as good as I get.

Hate caused it yes, hate is a very powerful thing indeed making you act the way you wouldn't normally do towards people, yet hate passes, if somebody broke your car on purpose (say smashed a windsheild) you would hate them for doing it, but time woul pass and that hate would extinguish within itself.

Now love... I am currently in a 3 year relationship with a girl, who I am now engaged too. I still do, to this day treat her with the utmost respect and cuddle up to her everynight.

Now here is how I know how love is more stronger then Hate.... if I hated someone 200 miles away, I would NOT go and see them just to shout scream and assault them, that would be a waste of time. But my Fiancé, she lives in wales, 271 miles away from my old location, and I moved down here gave up everything, I left my friends my family, my home I left everything to come down here and be with her, and you will ask "surely there is something else there?" my reply is, no. I left everything, I had no home, I now live with my Fiancé, I have no job no money no nothing.

Love was the thing that made me do this sacrifice and I would not do the same for hate.

My oppinion LOVE is the strongest of the two. ^.^

March 30, 2008, 1:25 AM

Finally someone who is different from the crowd. Also you make a well enough point. To you, and forever and always love will be stronger than your hate because love has made your life more significant and changing. Love is a true factor and hate is a mere observation that can be made, love is more important and surfaces more often, is more desired to be felt and seen. Your hate resides in low levels but your love floats inbetween all levels .

Yes to you it is very true that love is stronger and perhaps you have discovered a logical way to determine which is stronger to an individual and proven generalizations of this subject to be false...perhaps.

March 30, 2008, 1:37 AM

I disagree, love is just passion, a mixture of feelings which impulses us to do things we wouldn't normally do, like abandoning our family for example. It does not have any other special power than to fuel our courage, our strength and our souls. Love is ethereal, it does not last forever, it is just like the morning breeze that slowly ends as time passes. On the opposite, hate does fuel our strength and courage, but it also has a destructive power over our souls. Civilizations ended by hate, Wars were started because of hate and prejudice, thousands, millions were brutally murdered because someone couldn't control his/her emotions.

Love, we created the concept of love! The concept of hatred, prejudice, sorrow, distrust, greed, everything was created to give a name to a reaction born out of human necessity. It is like happiness, there is no such thing as absolute happiness. It is similar to joy, but not entirely equal. Joy is spontaneous, born out of a moment, it comes and goes when it wants. Similarly, love is born out of elements in our hearts, our souls, but it can be extinguished by hatred, just like hatred can be extinguished by love.

We can't tell which one is stronger because there's not absoluteness in either of them. Nor love, or hatred, both are powerful depending on the person who feels that way.

Both of them are fed by our feelings, our experiences, our memories, and our motivations. They grow as our feelings do, fueled by any reason we could think about.

March 30, 2008, 3:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Angelus-Mortis

But we hear and observe love from other people, and what they tell you about it, but it's at least true that love is different for different people. But from what I've seen happening to other people and in other accounts, it doesn't sound particularly worth it to me. At least for someone like myself.

Ah see, but hearing about it secondhand really isn't the same at all. It's like a blind person saying they've seen the color blue when they've only had the color explained to them. It is true that love is different for different people, but it's not radically different. To really understand what love is, you need to experience it yourself. I used to be really cynical of it, but once I knew first-hand what it was, I completely changed my opinion.

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Well, I wouldn't be willing to gamble my money--sure, you can win a lot of money, but you can also lose a lot of money. In the same way I wouldn't be willing to gamble my life over something as irrational as love. It's all simply a matter of consequences. Touch fire and you get burned. Try to pick up a rose, and you get pricked. Should I jump off a cliff to see whether or not I'm going to die? Even though I haven't, I am quite certain that the physics behind it suggests I most likely will. You can determine whether or not something is worth it by knowing the consequences.

There is a fine line between courage and stupidity.

I'm sorry, but that's a dumb line of analogies. You aren't really gambling your life with love. If you get hurt, it's not going to be the end of the world. I was recently hurt but it's been a few weeks, and I'm getting over it. And one day, maybe I'll find someone else to love. There isn't just ONE person you can love, and if they break your heart, life is over. Life isn't some Disney fairytale. And there is nothing to be gained from touching fire or jumping off a cliff. There is a lot to be gained from loving someone. It also isn't like gambling with money. You don't actually have anything to lose from loving someone. At most, you'll be hurt. And so what? You really think you're going to get through life without being emotionally hurt? Hiding from a potentially amazing experience just because you may get emotionally hurt isn't rational or the intelligent thing to do. It's just being a coward. Everywhere, you may get hurt in life. You could die in a car crash. You could die in an airplane crash. You could walk outside your house and be hit by lightning. Are you going to just stay in your house for the rest of your life? No, because that would be dumb. The benefits of going outside outweigh the risks (at least for most people), just like (for most people) the benefits of being in love outweigh the risks. I have a feeling that you'll never change your mind no matter how many times I try to explain how great love is, and how it's worth the risk of being hurt. I just feel bad, because you're missing out. It's easy trying to rationalize something when you've never experienced it. I used to be more like that. But once experiencing it, it's evident that the benefits outweight the risks.

I also don't agree that love is more powerful than hate. I'd like to believe it's true, but I honestly don't think it is. That's a good example, but I have a counter example. There are people who are willing to give up their entire lives and go to jail just to kill someone out of hatred. That's pretty powerful.