How insane do you think you are? - Page 3

March 5, 2008, 7:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Angelus-Mortis

So does that mean illogical or irrational?

I'd be content with saying mental irrationality would compel a person to move in such a way, or think such a thought. On the other hand, illogical actions are the result of irrationality to some degree.

Causality? Though "insanity" functions on more of a genetic level, does it not?

March 5, 2008, 7:56 PM

That's what I was wondering about because people do do irrational things, but it's usually out of emotion, and not for no other reason at all, I guess. Granted, that still doesn't make actions based off of emotional outbursts necessarily justified.

In which case, if Einstein and other geniuses did use logic to present their cases, but seemed bizarre to others because their emotions guided them to misunderstanding, and even refusing the result, it makes sense that they write them off as "insane".

March 5, 2008, 7:57 PM

Irrationality is merely some one else's failure to comprehend your actions .

Here is a question. If not deformed does every person start off with the same amount of ability to be seen as insane or sane in life. Subtract the environment and think in substance.

The human brain , not much different than the one next door is it? Eveyone is built near the same.

Or are some people truly born biologically more prone to insane. If any mind can be understood and unlocked per say , then that suggests any other mind could become realized in the same way. The same insanity that inflicts an average human can inflict another . Or can it not ?

Are we all born mentally different, if balanced chemically and without deformity or are some of us born into insanity ? Are some of us born weak so that we are meant to become insane in life, is it genetic ?

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Originally Posted by Angelus-Mortis

That's what I was wondering about because people do do irrational things, but it's usually out of emotion, and not for no other reason at all, I guess. Granted, that still doesn't make actions based off of emotional outbursts necessarily justified.

In which case, if Einstein and other geniuses did use logic to present their cases, but seemed bizarre to others because their emotions guided them to misunderstanding, and even refusing the result, it makes sense that they write them off as "insane".

Brilliant ! Yes if some one is so sure they are logical and attempt to be but fail in their logic ,(in opinion not factually) then people will have little faith in them. True.

March 5, 2008, 8:00 PM

I'd consider the case of Einstein and such people to be far more intellectually developed than, say, the 'masses' of the then-modern culture. It's the inability to comprehend his work which could possibly define such a man as insane, not the work itself.

If you saw no use in a formula, would you abide by its rule? Would you even bother learning its calculative equation in order to gain an outcome you don't feel you need? His methods were too complex for your average joe, basically. It's the same for the people who listened to the guy; it's as though they didn't want to know.

March 5, 2008, 8:01 PM

I wouldn't say insane or mentally unstable.
Insane at first glance, but there is reason behind the madness. <_<

March 5, 2008, 8:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Smith

I'd consider the case of Einstein and such people to be far more intellectually developed than, say, the 'masses' of the then-modern culture. It's the inability to comprehend his work which could possibly define such a man as insane, not the work itself.

If you saw no use in a formula, would you abide by its rule? Would you even bother learning its calculative equation in order to gain an outcome you don't feel you need? His methods were too complex for your average joe, basically. It's the same for the people who listened to the guy; it's as though they didn't want to know.

So true, and it gives "insanity" a sinister nature.

March 5, 2008, 8:10 PM

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What if I was a hermit and was as nutty as a fruit cake but no one else ever noticed it. I was never discovered, then would I live my whole life a sane man. OR insane people, the special types that stand out or frighten us ?[ /QUOTE]

I'm a nutty fruitcake hermit... I also think I'm insane. I have a mental illness (but then again who doesn't, look up some statistics or something). I can say, however, that when whatever mental illness you may suffer (assuming it distorts your perception of things in your life, including judgmental abilities) becomes too intense then you can't help but notice how different other people are, you know you're insane.

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Originally Posted by Korytco

What if I was a nutty hermit and I was the only one who thought I was insane then would I be insane or does the majority opinion rule out your own personal indenitifaction of who you are in life and try to chose to be.

I am insane, but you all say I am not. If I start to try to prove it to myself that I am insane am I self realized? Do I finally reach a connection, a spark ?

But can one choose to be insane?

Yes.

March 5, 2008, 8:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Korytco

What if I was a hermit and was as nutty as a fruit cake but no one else ever noticed it. I was never discovered, then would I live my whole life a sane man. OR insane people, the special types that stand out or frighten us ?[ /QUOTE]

I'm a nutty fruitcake hermit... I also think I'm insane. I have a mental illness (but then again who doesn't, look up some statistics or something). I can say, however, that when whatever mental illness you may suffer (assuming it distorts your perception of things in your life, including judgmental abilities) becomes too intense then you can't help but notice how different other people are, you know you're insane.

Yes.

Which Is why I believe that "insanity " exists simply because You, Me and every other person does not realize the early signs of it.

Which is why I pose the question how insane are you ? Do not over re act but do not ignore the signs.

Can any insane mind be reversed or altered to once again become socially acceptable ? Or are some people simply too self realized for change ?

Also, this thread clearly shows that insanity can be mistaken , or can it be. The word is used loosely everyone agrees on that. However it is used often, presenting itself as something to think about.

March 5, 2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Korytco

Irrationality is merely some one else's failure to comprehend your actions .

What I have often found, from experience, is that irrationality is mostly caused by emotions. But I am now thinking about this: Do emotions, or an extreme surge of them, cause other people to think that one is insane? It is the emotion of sadness, or rather an extreme amount of it that leads to or characterizes depression; and if you think logically, it might not actually exist. It is anger that drives people to do harm to others; if you think logically, you would understand the consequences and seek not to harm others. There probably are psychological disorders that are genetic, and cannot be caused by emotions alone, but rather, the genetic component probably explains the emotions or other traits that are exhibited (or lack thereof, in some cases) by people with such psychological disorders.

Thoughts?

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Here is a question. If not deformed does every person start off with the same amount of ability to be seen as insane or sane in life. Subtract the environment and think in substance.

The human brain , not much different than the one next door is it? Eveyone is built near the same.

Or are some people truly born biologically more prone to insane. If any mind can be understood and unlocked per say , then that suggests any other mind could become realized in the same way. The same insanity that inflicts an average human can inflict another . Or can it not ?

Are we all born mentally different, if balanced chemically and without deformity or are some of us born into insanity ? Are some of us born weak so that we are meant to become insane in life, is it genetic ?

There is actually an excellent (several, actually) example of this, that everybody's brains are wired differently. We all don't think alike, and while in essence, everyone's brain cells contain the same amount of chromosomes, bar mutation, there are still genetic differences in them, and they all react differently. Furthermore, because our brains think of different things and interact and operate differently, the neural connections in them are different, and some have more, some have fewer. For a more interesting example, take the example of Asperger's syndrome. People who have this "disorder" have similar characteristics, generally, that they are introverted, obsessed or very passionate about few subjects, are very good at systemizing, honest and blunt to a fault, but have problems communicating with other people and lack the ability to see social cues. Instinctively, the neurotypical person is able to learn social cues on their own--people with Asperger's Syndrome have to remember their social cues; it doesn't come second nature to them. But Asperger's is genetic, and the characteristics many people with Asperger's exhibit are most likely well explained by the fact that the way they think is different, so their brains should be wired differently.

It has also been found that particular geniuses, like Einstein and Gauss have a larger brain mass than normal people do. Whether this is a result of how they used their brains or if it was genetic isn't clear to me, although I'd say it's a bit of both.

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Brilliant ! Yes if some one is so sure they are logical and attempt to be but fail in their logic ,(in opinion not factually) then people will have little faith in them. True.

See, this is how I'm beginning to understand why Gauss didn't publish his findings on non-Euclidean geometry. People say that if he had published everything that appeared in his posthumous papers, that mathematics and probably sciences would be advanced further ahead than it is now. But I don't believe that's true because as long as the masses don't accept it, it will never advance society. Gauss could have published his papers, but what would that accomplish? People would call him a nut, and it wouldn't be about much later that people would begin to accept it. It's not any different from when they would normally have accepted it anyways.

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Originally Posted by Agent Smith

If you saw no use in a formula, would you abide by its rule? Would you even bother learning its calculative equation in order to gain an outcome you don't feel you need? His methods were too complex for your average joe, basically. It's the same for the people who listened to the guy; it's as though they didn't want to know.

People need to see that these complex calculations, despite how "useless" or unreal they may be, may lead to better sciences, better technology, and in the end, better living standards. Who wouldn't want that?

At least if you tried to understand it, it's certainly better than denying it because you didn't understand it at first.