Gun Control - Page 3

July 6, 2008, 5:25 AM

God I love when these things happen, because then it just rapes anti-gun theories:

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Originally Posted by WKRN

Manager Stops Would-Be Robbers
Posted: July 4, 2008 04:25 PM
Police say some would-be robbers got the shock of their lives when they showed up at an Old Hickory restaurant late Thursday night.

Investigators tell News 2 the assistant manager at the Sonic restaurant on Robinson Street refused to be a victim, and instead, shot back.

The holiday started with a frightening bang for more than 30 customers and employees when police say would-be robbers walked into this Sonic restaurant. One of the robbers had a gun, but police say so did the assistant manager. He fired first and the scared robbers ran off.

Police say the manager wounded one of the robbers who hobbled to their getaway car parked in this car wash across the street from the restaurant. But he left a trail of blood on the pavement.

No customers were hit with gunfire, but those eating here last night saw all the action up close.

"We do have a lot of witnesses to this which is just going to be beneficial in solving this crime," Captain Michele Donegan from Metro Police told News 2.
Police put out a BOLO - a "Be On The Lookout" all to all the local hospitals for a gunshot victim. When the suspect showed up at Sumner Regional Medical Center, police tell News 2 he claimed he was shot while walking down the street, but couldn't say which street. Police tell News 2 they'll arrest the man just as soon as he recovers from his wounds.

Police believe the incident may end a robbery spree. Investigators tell News 2 these suspects may have robbed three other Sonics in the past few weeks, including one just a couple of nights ago in Donelson.

Phone calls and emails to the sonic corporation were not immediately returned.

So that pretty much destroys arguments that say guns shouldn't be sold to the general populous. The guy kept his store safe, fended off the robbers and potentially ended a robbing spree. Link is here for any of you silly enough to not believe guns can actually be useful in preventing crime.

July 6, 2008, 1:04 PM

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The holiday started with a frightening bang for more than 30 customers and employees

30 people in the restaurant!
This moron manager risks the lives of those 30 people and himself because he feels like it. It's a miracle no one other than the robber got hurt.
It's fucking unbelievable. All he had to do was give them the money and everything would have turned out fine. But instead he decides, fuck it, all those people have a very high chance of getting shot, but, I don't want to give them money.
I bet they were insured too.

July 6, 2008, 8:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Placebo

30 people in the restaurant!
This moron manager risks the lives of those 30 people and himself because he feels like it. It's a miracle no one other than the robber got hurt.
It's fucking unbelievable. All he had to do was give them the money and everything would have turned out fine. But instead he decides, fuck it, all those people have a very high chance of getting shot, but, I don't want to give them money.
I bet they were insured too.

Except that he wasn't swinging it around madly trying to find his target. In this state, to get a gun you have to go through safety courses teaching you how to use a gun, so one could only assume that he knew how to aim it.

Not to mention, it's ignorant to think that just because you hand a robber money they'll leave you alone. There have been a couple food service robberies this year in Nashville that left the cashiers dead, and they didn't try to hinder the thefts either. Robbers will shoot you for the hell of it sometimes, and this manager decided not to take a chance.

July 6, 2008, 8:30 PM

Hmm, very interesting. I kinda have mixed feelings with this. Okay, I agree that guns can be useful when it comes to self-protection or others, but I'm not sure if going as far as carrying a gun in public is the best way. I think that if someone is to own a gun, it should stay at home, period. Naturally, I wouldn't feel so comfortable knowing that someone is carrying a gun at a restaurant, because when it all comes down to it, we could never really know anyone's motivation in the first place.

Here in Ohio, it's perfectly legal to carry a concealed weapon in public and that really makes me uneasy. I mean, I guess I can understand if someone's going out to meet someone somewhere in public (illegal activity, if you will) and they obviously feel the need to bring a gun just in case something goes wrong, but public places like restaurants, malls, shopping centers, etc...that's really taking it too far.

Now, as for that manager...I may have to contradict myself here a little, but I wouldn't say he risked the lives of those people. I doubt the robbers would spend their time killing more than 30 people though since their main objective is to get what they want and get outta there fast. Like I said, I have mixed feelings about this. Naturally, I'm glad he scared away those robbers by firing at one of them and like VR said, you can never really guarantee your life when it comes to robbers. I've heard many stories as well where robbers would rape and kill cashiers, receptionists, etc. after they had gotten what they wanted.

So in this case, I won't make a huge deal of the fact that he had used a gun in a public. It's done and over with and the outcome is what matters most. Of course, this is not to say that it couldn't have turned out differently (for the worst), because it could have! >.> Perhaps that's when I'll change my views and say something differently about the matter. It all really depends...but in general, I still really don't feel safe about guns being carried in public because there can be people out there who may carry them like they're nothing but credit cards in your wallet and use them when something strikes their fancy.

July 6, 2008, 9:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitsuki

Here in Ohio, it's perfectly legal to carry a concealed weapon in public and that really makes me uneasy. I mean, I guess I can understand if someone's going out to meet someone somewhere in public (illegal activity, if you will) and they obviously feel the need to bring a gun just in case something goes wrong, but public places like restaurants, malls, shopping centers, etc...that's really taking it too far.

lol, illegal activity

I agree that it's a bit unnecessary to carry them to malls and the like. The most reasonable use I can see for them is if you had to take a route through a ghetto to get to a destination. I wouldn't dare set foot in the inner city without a gun.

And just to put this all in perspective, imagine what it's like for people living in the Middle East or Africa, where they live in so much more danger. It's a part of life for adults and children alike to be carrying guns, there's a constant threat of someone shooting you or raping you or bombing your house. It's a little silly of us to complain that there might be a few people walking around in public with pistols when 10 year olds in other countries are walking around with AKs.

July 6, 2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Placebo

30 people in the restaurant!
This moron manager risks the lives of those 30 people and himself because he feels like it. It's a miracle no one other than the robber got hurt.
It's fucking unbelievable. All he had to do was give them the money and everything would have turned out fine. But instead he decides, fuck it, all those people have a very high chance of getting shot, but, I don't want to give them money.
I bet they were insured too.

Sorry but I agree with Vegeta, a cousin of my dads was killed a while ago, because some guy wanted his car, the fugitive asked my cousin to get out of the car or he'd kill him, my cousin obeyed and left the car, and the guy killed him anyway, criminals are unpredictable, and dont abide by the law, so what makes you think they'll stick to their word? Plus in the article it said they robbed other Sonics, they'll think twice about doing it again this time.

- Kuja

July 6, 2008, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by δ Kuja Ω

Sorry but I agree with Vegeta, a cousin of my dads was killed a while ago, because some guy wanted his car, the fugitive asked my cousin to get out of the car or he'd kill him, my cousin obeyed and left the car, and the guy killed him anyway, criminals are unpredictable, and dont abide by the law, so what makes you think they'll stick to their word? Plus in the article it said they robbed other Sonics, they'll think twice about doing it again this time.

- Kuja

Exactly. People who rob places aren't usually of sound mind, they'll kill a person to get rid of a potential witness, or they'll kill a person because they feel like it. You can't count on the criminal taking the money, saying thanks and being on his way leaving you perfectly live and able to call the cops.

And as I said before, to get a license you have to take a safety course and learn how to use the gun, so I hardly think he was putting all 30 people in the store in danger.

July 6, 2008, 10:27 PM

Personally I think...
That gun control is so, SO important! Just as an easy example, America...If there hadn't been such ridiculous gun laws in the first place, people wouldn't need to have guns as defense against other people with guns! Anyone who still thinks that the laws on owning guns, buying guns etc should be kept as they are (not to offend anyone here, but its mainly the South...I don't want to use the word hicks, but...I will xD) then they are...silly. But then again, how are they supposed to solve the situation? Its really tricky...
I don't really agree with having guns in any situation. I know that they are to an extent NEEDED in the army and things like that, but any other civilian use is ridiculous. Hunting is (in my opinion) pointless. At the moment I can't think of any other legal use for them, but also, when have guns ever done any good? I'm probably shooting myself in the foot here (pun DEFINITELY intended xD) cause someone is blatantly going to say something like "oh, what about that time that my friend got chased by a giant, angry bear, if he hadn't had his gun with him he would've died!" Well...you can sshh xD
And that AIDS analogy was stupid. Its not really anything like fighting AIDS with AIDS, because continuing to use guns in order to protect yourself from other gun-wielding freaks has some sort of logic, whereas more AIDS does not.
*waits to be ANNIHILATED* XD

July 6, 2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Yunapalooza

Just as an easy example, America...If there hadn't been such ridiculous gun laws in the first place, people wouldn't need to have guns as defense against other people with guns!

Huh? Explain moar plox, how do gun laws contribute to people needing guns for defense? Gun laws are useless though, it's easy as hell to obtain weapons illegally so it really doesn't make any sort of impact.

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Anyone who still thinks that the laws on owning guns, buying guns etc should be kept as they are (not to offend anyone here, but its mainly the South...I don't want to use the word hicks, but...I will xD) then they are...silly. But then again, how are they supposed to solve the situation? Its really tricky...

Hahaha, rednecks love their guns down here. You know, just in case they decide to try to have another civil war and beat the north. Actually I don't know why rednecks love guns so much, it's kind of scary since they're not fully capable mentally.

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Hunting is (in my opinion) pointless.

Hunting is sort of a double-edged sword. If left unchecked, it can easily wipe out a species (like the passenger pigeon) or leave them endangered and in need of protection till they repopulate (like the bison and North American gray wolf). However, if there is no hunting at all, the results are just as bad. Hunting is declining in popularity in the states, and as a result deer are increasing in number so much that they're quickly becoming a leading cause of car crashes.

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And that AIDS analogy was stupid. Its not really anything like fighting AIDS with AIDS, because continuing to use guns in order to protect yourself from other gun-wielding freaks has some sort of logic, whereas more AIDS does not.

Agreed. I do believe the saying "fight fire with fire" can apply here.