Abortion - your views. - Page 24

September 14, 2008, 3:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Katsky

Always the Jews first eh?

Yeaaaaaahh, too bad I'm not advocating their death or mistreatment.

Yes there is, saying "blacks are inferior" has no scientific foundation to stand on. Saying autistics are defective humans does, as I have pointed out before, I also have autism.

When you have autism, please come back and tell me what you think then. Autism severs social interaction heavily.

Yes. It really is. Autism - Wikipedia

Yes, you can carry a gene without actually being impaired by it.

When did I advocate sterilization? Please quote where. I'm sick of you people making shit up to try and suit your arguments. But no, it would be immoral for your friend to have children, though.

Certain cancers yes. But it doesn't really affect physical/mental capacity so I see no reason for people who carry cancer genes to not have children, if they want.

Someone's a nihilist. Nobody can dictate anything because everything is subjective.

Physicians, Psychiatrists, etc...

NSDAP also advocated animal rights (before any other nation) and heavy environmentalism (Hitler was a vegetarian), preserving forests and cutting down on industrial pollution. And by your logic, anyone who advocates these things today, are evil Nazis, oh wait, that's everyone.

Yeah, so let's abolish the Paralympics and make paraplegics and the disabled participate in the regular Olympics, because they're not defective right?

Again, where did I say they should be sterilized? But yes, I do believe defective genetics should be "wiped" from the gene pool.

I also believe this, heavily. But not everyone does, people are born with disabilities and can't achieve their dreams like everybody else.

You believe the white race is superior? Because I don't, and I never advocated racism of any kind, even so, if anything East Asians have superior intellectual capacity. But that's besides the point, for it to be racist, I'd have to see conclusive scientific evidence that non-whites are actually not humans and are incapable of any cognitive thought. Oh wait...

Someone's scarecrow is showing, repeatedly. But maybe in your hell hole of a country where you have no social welfare you have shit like poverty, but in the civilized world, most people are more or less of middle class so we don't have to worry about that toss.

Quote where I said this.

No, not a perfect society, but we can aspire to it.

If you're disabled for a non-genetic reason but able to care for children financially and psychologically, I don't see any problem with you having children.

Yeah, because you know, Stephen Hawking is the only disabled guy on the planet, and every disabled person just wants to be a physicist.

Again with the sterilizing... And they understand too, when I say I am defective for autism and bipolar.

Yeah, except I never advocated sterilization.

Heya Katsky, been a while since we've talked =P, how ya been?

When you say you want defective genes wiped, your kind of implying sterilization, also you haven't directly supported it, I'm just curious as to what you want to do about this issue exactly...

- Sephiroth

September 14, 2008, 4:08 PM

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Heya Katsky, been a while since we've talked =P, how ya been?

Oh sure, don't get me started, my life is just a mess at the moment... but thanks

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When you say you want defective genes wiped, your kind of implying sterilization, also you haven't directly supported it, I'm just curious as to what you want to do about this issue exactly...

I can understand that it might seem like sterilization, but the PRC doesn't sterilize people after they've had their first child right? And I'm not sure what you mean by what I "want to do"... in recent years there has been much renewed interest in eugenics, with groups popping up and books being written. It's just, in our age of political correctness, you're instantly shunned as being a "fascist" or a "Nazi" for holding such beliefs as Eugenics, even though the irony is Nazi Germany also promoted animal rights (even going as far as banning the round fish bowl, seeing it as cruel to fish) and environmentalism, which is pretty much all everyone is talking about in our days, with global warming and such. So, as to what I wish to do? All I can do is talk about it when it comes up I guess, inform people about it and such, dispel misconceptions (such as pseudo-scientific Nazi racial eugenics).

November 22, 2008, 1:28 AM

I think in the interest of equality, men should have the right to choose too. After all it's the woman's body, but it's his sperm. So he should have a say in the matter too.

I'd also like the right to abort other people's babies. Namely the ones that cry behind me on long plane trips. Obviously it's their babies, but it happens to be my ears that are ringing, and therefore, my body.

Also I believe that some people were meant to be aborted but for some reason were not due to some mistake in the paper work. I think we should all have the right to abort these individuals on sight.

Better late than never.

November 22, 2008, 3:40 PM

Oh my god what? xD

I'm pro-choice but only for the mother, or a medical professional that deems it necessary to carry out said abortion

Just put some ear plugs in xD

And until the baby is born, I don't believe the father has ANY rights over wether a woman aborts or not, it might be HIS sperm, but it's her egg AND her body, although I do believe if they are in a relationship, they should at least discuss it, that goes without saying. But ultimately it is up to the woman, wether you like it or not.

Actualy, I probably came across abit harsh there, if I was pregant, I WOULD involve the father, obviously.....

November 22, 2008, 5:51 PM

With abortion being a sore subject for many, heres how I feel about it, but be warned my views may shock and upset some...

With abortion im highly anti-abortion in certain circumstances, i.e teenagers getting knocked up from being little sluts and "accidents", this is there fault and they should have to deal with the consequences of there actions...

These selfish people that go for abortions for the wrong reasons do not realise, they are taking a life away that never had a chance, how would they like it if someone decided that there life was to be taken away because of some "slip-up accident", they wouldnt!

However in the terms of rape and the couple agreeing they DO NOT want the child, I agree with abortion...there is no point bringing a child into the world that has been concieved against a persons will or is going to enter to world loved by neither parent.

now an argument would be the "accidental" child might be unloved, or the teenage slut....this is 90% of the time untrue, as these types usually wanted a child at some point in there life but not just yet....so chances are they would be able to love and care for the child....if not them then the father would!

However like i said if one of those catagories falls into the mutal agreeance or rape catagory then yes, I agree with the abortion...but never agree based on some accident where one potential parent wants rid and the other doesnt or the teen slut who was sleeping around, but the father wants the child now he knows, but she doesnt.

Abortions are one of the cruelist and heartless operations known to human-kind, Its basically agreeing to assisted murder and taking away life from a living thing, hense why I feel very anti-abortion except in a few circumstances.

just my 2cents on the matter.

November 22, 2008, 6:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkrul

With abortion im highly anti-abortion in certain circumstances, i.e teenagers getting knocked up from being little sluts and "accidents", this is there fault and they should have to deal with the consequences of there actions...

These selfish people that go for abortions for the wrong reasons do not realise, they are taking a life away that never had a chance, how would they like it if someone decided that there life was to be taken away because of some "slip-up accident", they wouldnt!

Actually, I thought it was the other way around--that you exist only because of a slip-up accident, and not because a slip-up accident caused you to stop existing. If that happened, then it's not any different from being murdered, killing yourself, contracting a terminal illness, or any other way in which people die. I think you mean to ask how people would like it if they were conceived by accident and then had their chance to live taken away from them--but I was never meant to be to begin with--technically, I should not exist. If someone took additional measures to keep it that way, I could not object. My system wouldn't be developed enough to even comprehend such a concept at that time.

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However in the terms of rape and the couple agreeing they DO NOT want the child, I agree with abortion...there is no point bringing a child into the world that has been concieved against a persons will or is going to enter to world loved by neither parent.

That could also happen to teenage sluts.

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now an argument would be the "accidental" child might be unloved, or the teenage slut....this is 90% of the time untrue, as these types usually wanted a child at some point in there life but not just yet....so chances are they would be able to love and care for the child....if not them then the father would!

That's rather simplified, don't you think? What if the mother wants the child, but the father doesn't? The father wouldn't be willing to look after the child. Or what if neither of them want a child yet because they don't currently have the money or time to deal with having a child? Please keep in mind that child support is not available in certain places. Teenagers still in school wouldn't have the time or ability to make enough money to support a child. They wouldn't be able to love and care for a child.

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Abortions are one of the cruelist and heartless operations known to human-kind, Its basically agreeing to assisted murder and taking away life from a living thing, hense why I feel very anti-abortion except in a few circumstances.

Letting people who have bad parents that can't make enough money or can offer love or care to their children live is arguably worse than death. It is not cruel to offer the option that is the lesser of two evils; it might actually be necessary.

I also don't consider it murder to get rid of a ball of cells, with not even the slightest characteristics shared by the majority of living human beings. But I suppose that matter is up to the scientists to decide when they want to call a human being alive and separate from his or her mother.

November 22, 2008, 9:41 PM

My wife points out that abortion is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. "Just because you don't love your child doesn't mean you should kill it and forget it."

I on the other hand believe that Abortion should never be an option.
It should be mandatory.

Welcome to our household.

November 22, 2008, 9:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sergeant_P

I on the other hand believe that Abortion should never be an option.
It should be mandatory.

Excuse me? That's just...sick. Why the hell should people who want to have children be forced to abort them? Especially if they can support and raise the child correctly - like 95% of parents can.

And, if Abortion was mandatory...well, the worlds population would just shrink to nothingness.

And, abortions can be traumatizing to many women. some require counseling to get over it - how can you suggest that everyone should have to go through this?

I think abortions should only be carried out if the parent isn't able to raise the child, or if the child would have a poor quality of life, or if the child is the product of rape. Abortion isn't birth control =/

November 22, 2008, 10:12 PM

There's nothing sick about it. We wouldn't be killing a person, it's just a ball of cells.

And, abortions can be traumatizing to many women. some require counseling to get over it - how can you suggest that everyone should have to go through this?

First women are traumatized by having to give birth to a child they don't want, then they're traumatized by having an abortion. I believe that some women are in for some traumatization no matter what path they choose.

Regardless, the child might be unloved or in a broken home when it's born. Therefore it's better for us to decide for the child and just never let it live in the first place.