Abortion - your views. - Page 17

September 8, 2008, 12:58 PM

So what if I lied? Listen, jerk, if you get "duhhh, that growth, that cancer" and wait, say, 20 or 30 years, you could have a scientist who made a cure-all, or a great author, with plenty of moolah to share with you. And what happens when you're 80 years old, but your dumbass wife (I know no one would want to marry you, but just listen) listened to you and aborted her unborn baby every single time? No one would be there to support you except her, not even Mommy and Daddy, because Mommy and Daddy changed their names and flew away to Russia and died there to escape from a brat like you. You'd have to be in a nursing home, and you wouldn't have any kids to visit you. And what happens when you run out of money to pay for your stay in the home? Out ya go.

Now, if your wife listened to you and did NOT abort, you'd have a kid (or, better yet, a few kids) who could support you, they would get you meds, get a doctor to check up on you, and things to help you out (provided of course you didn't make them smoke Ciggarettes and drink Alcohol). And when you get really old, they'd find a good nursing home for you and they'd visit you.

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Originally Posted by Placebo

Damn you've tricked me into admitting I'm a rapist.
Because obviously that's all you expect me to think about.

You are a rapist, and you are on a forum like this? What the hell would make you do that? And I don't care if you had a bad day or whatever shit you told the judge. Under NO circumstances should you do something like that. Just think about how many enemies you made, doing that. What would've happened if your victim had a brother, who could bench-press 300 pounds? (You would've looked like raw hamburger, that's what.) Think about that the next time you want to rape somebody, you sicko.

September 8, 2008, 2:25 PM

Mooglesrules, do not name call other members. Also Placebo was being sarcastic about the rapist thing...

Other than that quit the personal attacks. Debate all you want but no personal attacks.

Next time I see you or someone else make a personal attack then I will infraction you.

September 8, 2008, 3:27 PM

I'll be dead and forthright honest with ya on this subject...

First, I don't believe any guy has the right to respond to this thread, so that's why I've been so hesitant to respond to it. I don't have the right, but I'm going to go ahead and express my opinions about it. Take them for what they are worth.

Being someone who's been desensitized over the years from seeing a cold, grey, lifeless baby at a funeral (old friend who's baby died of Leukemia), to other crappy things surrounding death, I have very distorted views about the subject.

First thing a girl has to consider is the way in which she conceived the baby. If she was raped, or she conceived it through accident, or actually wanted it but someone is telling her to get rid of it (to avoid shame).

Let me start off by saying a girl has a god given right to choose what she wants to do with her body to be honest. If she wants to take birth control, if she wants the guy to use a condom, if she wants to use some other ways of pregnacy preventions, it's her choice to the very end. Her parents are not going to prevent her from making her own choices, it's inevitable.

So point 1.. rape. If a guy has encroached her, and tainted her body, why should his seed have to be inbedded in her? I mean seriously, why give birth to a child, who could have been a child of a murderer/rapist/psychological disorders to the male. Ladies are not only good for "one thing" giving birth, they should have their own god given right to choose their direction. I honestly do not know what it would be like with all the female estrogen running through you, that you would have to take the maternal dive and take on a living organism. I mean it's like admitting defeat to me... for one... some guy already took your pride, and probably subjected you to mental instability. So why go through with a kid your whole life, who you know will never have the benefit of a good father?

Point 2... Accident. In my opinion.. I get really pissed when I hear teenagers or even beyond (my age, let's say) not using birth control or any other form of pregnancy prevention. Accidents do happen though, some odd occurences can occur in which a girl gets pregnant, so what to do then? I say it's still her choice. People might say this is killing an innocent one, and I say.. well look at it this way.. aside from religion aside from politically incorrectness, let's talk about Money. Are you aware how much money it takes to feed another person besides yourself? I'm not saying that she couldn't give the baby up to child services (adoption) but your life could go from perfectly normal, to down hill in a matter of months. Babies are expensive, very very very, expensive. NO, i do not have one, but yes most people I know are married, and have kids. If you are already working, and are making ... let's say .. 10-15 dollars an hour, and you find out the news that you and your 2 week boyfriend conceived a baby by accident... well what then? I say... the boyfriend will freak out. He might call it quits, he might be glad (depending his age), he might demand an abortion. But who's right is it? the girl's.

Which leads into point 3... If a person is telling you to get rid of it for shame purposes, or because they want to be with you, but not if you have the baby.. well.. tell them to die in a fire. It's your choice. It's your choice.. It's your choice. No explanations needed on this point.

Good luck.. and take care. And for those of you that are mothers, my apologies.. and for those of you who are young mothers... well all I gotta say is.. if there is a god... God bless you, and keep on taken care of yourself.

September 9, 2008, 1:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Argor251

And Nami, I understand what you are saying, there are sad circumstances that some babies are born into... But I still think they deserve a shot at life. There is a chance that they will make the best of life, that they will still enjoy life. These sad circumstances do happen in life, I've met people with naf family pasts, history of abuse etc, but I beleive that they can still have a chance at leading a happy life, or a happy'ish life if they strive for it / if luck comes to them.

I don't beleive we can realy allow ourselves to kill the foetus in fear that it may lead an unhappy life. It isn't for us to decide, and sadly the only person you could ask would be the baby-foetus itself... which isn't happening. But seriously, who is to know what life the baby will lead? I was born into a loving caring environment... But I'm not particualry a happy person myself right now. In fact I'm as down as anything when I'm on my own, tearing myself apart from the inside. Have few freinds, have no job, I'm at uni, but feel an outcast there.. have no girlfreind etc, and haven't since first school. Yep. A class A loser... Why am I like this? I realy do not know, but to get from being born into a happy loving family to this can realy show that the environment you are born into does not always suggest you are sorted for life. The course of life is a mystery to us all... No-one knows what is ahead. To deny a child the chance to experience life and make their own in the world is wrong in my opinion.

I personally don't feel that such an optimistic attitude should thrive in a society in which its members do not help each other. I personally don't understand why it's "humane" to subject the lives of women and children to a living hell... but that's just me. I suppose we can help by allowing mothers to relive their rapes and to keep paying women to have children they don't want for the sake of money.

No one has to live the hell except the ones involved. Gambling with chance is something most do for leisure. Gambling with lives shouldn't be any different, I suppose.

September 9, 2008, 8:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Argor251

While scientifically it is a foetus, it is, or will become a human being. You cannot deny that, and you haven't denied that... So killing (or if it is easier to accept, call it destroying or terminating) this foetus will lead to this developing human being not being born, right? So yes, in my opinion it is murder of a possible human being, denying it a chance to live. Also we keep hearing reports over the years about how we are discovering that the foetus has more life processes going on than we were ever aware of (but have no source to provide, was year back or so).

Quite right, I'm not denying that said foetus will become a baby. However condoms, the pill, and a vasectomy all prevent a life from being created, so they are equally as bad as abortion?

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First, I don't believe any guy has the right to respond to this thread, so that's why I've been so hesitant to respond to it. I don't have the right, but I'm going to go ahead and express my opinions about it. Take them for what they are worth

I agree, it's not our decision.
However if I did get a chick pregnant, I would tell her what I wanted. Not to force her to do what I said, but because deciding to have an abortion or not to, is a big decision. Actually, no I wouldn't tell her what I wanted to happen. I'd agree with her, as ultimately it is her decision.

Just because I'm pro-choice doesn't mean I think that all foetuses should be aborted.

September 9, 2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid Vicious

Quite right, I'm not denying that said foetus will become a baby. However condoms, the pill, and a vasectomy all prevent a life from being created, so they are equally as bad as abortion?

No, I wouldn't quite say that, as, as you said, they can prevent pregnancy from even happening. You should just be ready to bite the bullet in cases where those methods don't work so well.

When I was speaking of abstinence, what I said was meant for the unmarried. As pregnancy would most likely screw up their lives in some way. (Even than, you have to make sure you can really trust who you marry, with the way some men/women are.)

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Originally Posted by Sid Vicious

I agree, it's not our decision.
However if I did get a chick pregnant, I would tell her what I wanted. Not to force her to do what I said, but because deciding to have an abortion or not to, is a big decision. Actually, no I wouldn't tell her what I wanted to happen. I'd agree with her, as ultimately it is her decision.

Just because I'm pro-choice doesn't mean I think that all foetuses should be aborted.

*nods* Yeah, that's understandable. I'm still more of a pro-lifer myself though, but it does come down to the woman in the grand scheme. Though I still think it'd be a huge, honest mistake if she said she wanted a baby before she got pregnant and suddenly decided afterwards she didn't want it just because of unavoidable pain, which is sort of a no-brainer.

As I've said before... I'm more of a romantic type of guy. About the only reason I'd have a relationship in the first place would be the prospect of marrying and raising a family with her. So, I've course I'd be defensive against abortion. Because, from my viewpoint, I can't understand why someone would support it. Even after an abortion happens, the mother herself may experience complications all her life.

I don't like seeing people in pain under any circumstances... But typically, the pain of giving birth to a child doesn't last all of one's life.

As you've said before, I'm no doctor, and I'm only 18. But those articles above sorta covered that.

September 9, 2008, 12:27 PM

Next time please do not even JOKE about being a rapist. My little brother was somewhat abused by my neighbor's kid. They shoved a hose into his tailbone and I have even more of an attitude towards rapists now.
And Placebo, while the fetus isn't as "human" as you or me, if you wait until it's ready to come out, then it would be considered "semi-killing" I guess. And what happens when it IS out? It would be killing.
I am not against ALL abortions, but if a family cannot handle another mouth to feed or if the baby dies in the womb, only then should an abortion be performed.
And if a baby comes unexpected as a result of careless sex, the woman should have the baby. It was her fault she did it, so she should bear the responsibility of a baby instead of taking the easy way out.

September 10, 2008, 12:21 AM

If I could shift the topic for one moment...

What do you all think about Partial birth abortions. Surely you cant deny thats not baby killing(yes im against partial birth abortions).

- Kuja

September 10, 2008, 7:52 PM

If that's what I think that is, surely, you don't think they happen for a good reason. It's probably because either the mother dies or the kid dies--which do you think is worse; a childless "mother", who couldn't have been much of a mother to begin with, or a kid who has no mother, who probably isn't guaranteed a guardian, and might later find out that his or her mother died?

Why don't you tell us the point of asking us this question?