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Old September 7, 2008, 1:04 PM   #151
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Being anti-abortion is a way for men, and for people who hold certain political views to exert power over women. They're telling them what they can and cannot do with their own body. It's cowardly and unfair.
Oh, yeah... Because allowing more people to be born when it's their own fault they got pregnant is slavery... I getcha... So, I suppose if you cut off your own leg, you'd expect to collect disability and not be questioned about why it's a clean cut?

I just think people should think before they have sex. If they just follow whatever urges they have, and that's alright with you, then I guess that means when someone has the urge to run around and kill people, that'd be peachy-keen with you too. Yes, I have had sexual urges. By your logic, that means I HAD to have sex right then and there. Guess what? I didn't, because I thought about how that would effect the other person.

Love is a stronger need than sex. I'd rather stick with love than feel like I have to screw something every five minutes. If my partner's okay with it, and I feel like we can handle all possible outcomes, THEN sex will be open to me, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Old September 7, 2008, 8:37 PM   #152
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Let's face it, abstinence is not, nor will it ever be, an option for someone who doesn't want to get pregnant--it's simply not a reasonable thing to ask. Because human beings are sexual creatures, chances are we're gonna screw when we feel horny, and that's the bottom line. However, we are a bit smarter than your average animal, having created things like different types of birth control, etc, but that stuff doesn't always work.

Here's an interesting dilemma: Husband and wife already had kids, they've left the nest, husband has a vasectomy, hubbie and wife take the opportunity to spruce things up in the bedroom again since the kids are gone and amazingly enough, wifey gets pregnant. :o But how?! Well, those things (although rarely) don't always work either. Mum's already way too old to be caring for another child, dad the same, and they've already made the decision (ala vasectomy) to not have anymore children.

What I'm trying to say is IT'S NOT ALWAYS A MATTER OF NOT THINKING BEFORE YOU HAVE SEX. Sometimes it really was just some freak accident. But asking/expecting someone to not have sex, before thinking of ever possible scenario that may result in a pregnancy under every possible circumstance, is just plain ignorance imo.

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Old September 7, 2008, 11:54 PM   #153
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women say "its my body i can do what i want"....well....if they are so worried about their body, shouldnt they realize that it is most likely going to be more hazzardous to your health having the abortion than not having it?

http://www.mycpc.org/abortion_risks.html
http://media.www.dailygamecock.com/m...75-page2.shtml

So ya....pregnancies may be a hard thing to endure. And ya, i dont know what it is like, but i know many people who do. ANd as stated before, the pain of childbirth is one of the most painful things in life, but that pain is only for a period of time. The pain they will feel post-abortion is for a lifetime, and the pain of childbirth pales in comparison to that lifelong pain.
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Old September 8, 2008, 1:46 AM   #154
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Actually no. Lrn 2 red.
It is a foetus. Since you are 18 you aren't a medical doctor, so it perhaps a little stupid of me to assume that you knew the facts. Don't worry though, I'll tell, and hell it'll even be free. When you or your partner become pregnant, that growth iinside of you is, and now pay attention here as this area is where you lack knowledge, is not a bady or a life. It is a growth just like cancer, not, and I repeat this for your benefit, not a child or life.
I don't know... The difference is that a foetus, if let be would form into a human being... It is the START of the process of life and the developing that leads to a human being. If we weren't in such control of medical science a baby would form, unless there is a natural miscarriage. You can't say it is wrong for people to treat cancer just because it is also the growth of cells etc... Cancer will not form a human being in several months time... It will instead do nothing less but kill the patient.

The process of life, even if just in my view if you all seem to believe otherwise, starts with conception. The baby (and I call it a baby, because I feel a term like "foetus" takes the eventual humanity out of it) would develop, in normal circumsatnces, and be born fine... I don't think it is right for us to cut this chance of a life short. And it's sad that so many people write it off as a simple abcess of cells with no human value whatsoever.. The difference is that it is a multiplication of cells brought about by two people, and that would eventually develop into a human being.

But hey, we all seem to be on different sides here, I can sort of see what you are saying, I just beleive that people hide behind the "it isn't human" label to make the act of abortion seem forgivable and acceptable at the best of times.
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Old September 8, 2008, 4:24 AM   #155
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So ya....pregnancies may be a hard thing to endure. And ya, i dont know what it is like, but i know many people who do. ANd as stated before, the pain of childbirth is one of the most painful things in life, but that pain is only for a period of time. The pain they will feel post-abortion is for a lifetime, and the pain of childbirth pales in comparison to that lifelong pain.
It's alright to be against abortion--you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but outright saying THIS is how you're gonna feel if you get something like this done is completely ignorant. When you become a woman, get pregnant and have an abortion, you would obviously be more entitled to say something like that, if you would feel any pain at all. Not every woman who gets an abortion will regret it for the rest of their lives. I'm sure there are a good number of people who will and do, of course, but I've met some who knew it was for the better.

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Old September 8, 2008, 5:39 AM   #156
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It's alright to be against abortion--you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but outright saying THIS is how you're gonna feel if you get something like this done is completely ignorant. When you become a woman, get pregnant and have an abortion, you would obviously be more entitled to say something like that, if you would feel any pain at all. Not every woman who gets an abortion will regret it for the rest of their lives. I'm sure there are a good number of people who will and do, of course, but I've met some who knew it was for the better.
I didnt mean to say that it is GOING to happen to you, i meant to say that there is a fairly good chance it could. I was also just trying to say that there are many dangerous health risks if one was to get an abortion. Risks that a lot of people are not aware of.
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Old September 8, 2008, 7:32 AM   #157
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I didnt mean to say that it is GOING to happen to you, i meant to say that there is a fairly good chance it could. I was also just trying to say that there are many dangerous health risks if one was to get an abortion. Risks that a lot of people are not aware of.
Then you should've said so.

And it's true there are many risks, but hey, it's the choice that they make. Obviously any [surgical] procedure is going to be dangerous, and chances are if you're going to get it done legally and by an accredited doctor, he's going to make sure you're aware of those risks. Then again, if you are not seeking professional help, like ANY OTHER medical procedure done without the supervision of an individual who knows what s/he's doing, those risks are still going to be there.

Education of abortion isn't as bad as it used to be, and people are learning more and more about it and still taking their chances. To me, that clearly says that even if people are becoming more educated, they're still not letting that get in their way.
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Oh, yeah... Because allowing more people to be born when it's their own fault they got pregnant is slavery... I getcha... So, I suppose if you cut off your own leg, you'd expect to collect disability and not be questioned about why it's a clean cut?
Inoerite. It is so the fault of a women when she gets raped and becomes pregnant. She should have been in the house cleaning amirite?
Also it's so the fault of the people having sex when a condom breaks, vasectomey reverses itself, or the women still gets pregnant when she is on the pill.
Because it's so easy to not get pregnant.

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But hey, we all seem to be on different sides here, I can sort of see what you are saying, I just beleive that people hide behind the "it isn't human" label to make the act of abortion seem forgivable and acceptable at the best of times.
Whereas anti-abortion people like to think of themselves as 'pro-life' and that abortion is baby killing. Now before all of you go OMZG IT R BABY KILLING, you cannot complain about the use of the word foetus. And it is technically and actually a foetus.
Regardless of the fact that the foetus could become a baby. It is not. Just like a caterpillar is not a butterfly.

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I just think people should think before they have sex. If they just follow whatever urges they have, and that's alright with you, then I guess that means when someone has the urge to run around and kill people, that'd be peachy-keen with you too. Yes, I have had sexual urges. By your logic, that means I HAD to have sex right then and there. Guess what? I didn't, because I thought about how that would effect the other person.
Yes that is peachy-keen with me.

Damn!!! You caught me out.
Seriously, so you bother to read my posts, or just do you just see words with over three syllables, and think 'nah fuck it'.
That's the only way someone could come up the conclusion you have. I said abstinence is stupid, because it is unrealistic, and to an extent unrealistic. I did not say people should fuck like rabbits.
Believe it or not, I do consider other people's feelings before having sex, such as, "that would wake her up".
Damn you've tricked me into admitting I'm a rapist.
Because obviously that's all you expect me to think about.
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I do not have standard views on right or wrong. I would like to share some of my thoughts.

I know of a woman who has seven kids. Yet she is around my age. She continues to get pregnant. She continues to have kids, even though she doesn't really want children. She had become pregnant after a night out (the method in which she typically got pregnant). She was going to have the child and give it away to our friend "T". She continued with her partying ways. She wound up miscarrying the baby due to excessive drinking, smoking, fighting, and partying.

Although she truly loves to party, she has never had an abortion. She draws welfare on her children and uses the money to fund her party habits. She will probably continue raising revenue for herself by producing more children.

Some children are given up for foster care. However, the foster care system (in America, I don't know about other countries) tends to be flawed. Since there is such a high demand for foster parents, the standards for licensure for foster parents tend to be lax. I know of some who are only required to watch a video and maintain a clean house. Children get separated from their siblings, move from home from home, and are lucky to find "love". Many sustain abuse while in the system. Some actually die. These cases are typically not dealt with efficiently. In fact, they are covered up to avoid scandal.

Open adoption, on the other hand, is a game of chance that I have insufficient time to discuss in this post.

I was fortunate. I lived in a home that required me to live in a loft with little to no interaction with people. I was made to eat my own vomit once. I was subjected to verbal abuse. I was tied up and locked in a garage with my fingers tied together. I only had enough mobility to put together a 1000 piece puzzle in a designated amount of time. I was disciplined afterward because my sweat had caused the tape to come off of my fingers. However, I was never physically marked or bruised. I was only removed to avoid scandal, since there was no evidence of my abuse.

Some kids are raised by the mother who mistakenly bore them. They live without ever being placed in the system and live battered and abused until they are forced to become adults and escape... if they find an escape. (I will not be providing names for the people I know.)

Some kids are born as a product of rape. Although some of these kids are met with their basic needs such as food, clothing, and shelter, they tend to bear some resemblance to the rapist that made the pregnancy possible. The mother tries to be noble and to adhere to her beliefs, but she makes her hatred for the child painfully apparent.

With all that being said, I don't think this is a "Yes" or "No" issue. Some people, who are clearly irresponsible, continue to have kids with careless abandon. Some people (and children) become pregnant in dire circumstances. Some people who are unprepared for children adhere to the wishes of others and wind up providing a life of hell for their children. I believe that in the above mentioned cases, an abortion should be allowed. (Especially in the first example. She should have a hysterectomy.)

But who would determine who is permitted to have an abortion and who isn't? Whose standard of justice would be used to determine the irresponsibility of the parent and whether that parent should simply give the child up for adoption? Who can say that the mother is of sound mind and judgement? Who really knows what's going on in each case?

I had always been "pro-life". But over time I have an adjusted view on the value of human life. Human life is precious, true, but is a life leading to a slow and painful demise worth it? I now feel that sometimes, abortion should be permitted. I simply don't know on what grounds.

It would certainly be better than giving birth to the child, then dumping the child off into a dumpster.
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