Abortion - your views. - Page 15

September 7, 2008, 2:24 AM

I agree. You worded it in ways far better than I, myself could have, Argor. The thing is, anything you do effects other people so why not just think about how what you do effects others? Not just other people alive today, but how people in the future will live.

Personally, I find it sad how many people all up on the abortion wagon are some of the same people who want us to save the environment 'for our children/future generations'. obviously, if everyone decided to kill their kids before they were born, there would be NO future generations.

But, I am going slightly off-topic. Still, I was just trying to make a point.

September 7, 2008, 2:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Demi-Fiend

In my opinion... I don't like abortion at all... If you don't want a baby, don't screw. It's as simple as that... All legalizing abortions is going to do is make girls more slutty at earlier ages (they're already getting prego at middle school, folks) and make guys more insufferable perverts. Besides, what would that do for the condom industry?!? D: (Okay, that last sentence was a joke, but still.)

So abstinence, good idea. (Okay that sentence was a joke.)
Lets stop kids having sex, because it's not good for them. Nope sex is good for you.
Like Eryth said, abstinence only leads to ignorance, and therefore sex becomes more dangerous and less enjoyable.
O LOUKZ A CONDOM I JUZ PUTS IT ON!!!
But then during sex it breaks, because MR Abstinence forgets to pinch the top of the condom.
Furthermore, it's stupid and unrealistic. Horny 16 year olds don't say ima wait till I'm 25 and responsible.
Also I'd just like to know how abortion leads to girls being slutty?

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The way I see things... When you perform an abortion, you're killing infinite possibilities for the future. For all you know, the kid could really grow up to change the world, no matter if you wanted him/her or not. And if you didn't want the kid, well... You just come off as stupid for having unprotected sex, or as a perv or a slut. I'm not going to sugarcoat my opinions on this... Would it KILL YOU to not have sex? No? Then if you don't want a to be stuck with children, don't do it.

You do know that sex is how the human race reproduces don't you? Therefore yes, it would kill me, and everyone else if we ( not you and I obviously) didn't have sex.
Also we've raised the whole ' The baby could be the next harry potter' thing before.

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Maybe I did leave my comments about that a bit vague, it does happen, but not as much as anyone reading may be led to think. Basically I support a womans right to choose, I just don't wanna pay for it =).

You also pay for criminals, weapons, the war in Iraq etc. The amount of tax you pay that goes towards abortions is likely to be less than 1c.
There isn't a financial arguement against abortion.

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I personally do not agree with abortion... I agree that it is tragic that some circumstances occur in which a girl becomes pregnant unwillingly... but, the thing is she HAS become pregnant and, hard as it may be for the girl, the baby should deserve the right to live.

I know it's easy to desensitise a developing baby by calling it a foetus but it is/will/should become a full human like ourselves... If we cut it's life short before it is even born then thats a whole life wasted. Think of all the things that could have been acheived in that life? I'm not talking about extreme stuff like saving the world / ridding poverty in Africa but simple life elements... Think of the effect the human would have had on the people around it; freinds, family, work, and think of the enjoyment and fun that human could have had... What right have we to put an end to this life before it begins? Would you have liked it if this human had been you? Obviously you wouldn't be in a thinking state etc / barely alive, but if somehow you think to yourself "what if that HAD been me... None of this would have happened"...

You say baby, I say foetus. One of us is right, that's me btw. You can't accuse pro-choice of using desensitive language when pro-life calls abortion baby killing.
And it is legally a foetus, there is nothing that resembles human life that is being aborted. When it does become a life, abortion is illegal.
Also due to circumstances beyond the mother's control she is pregnant, that doesn't justify continuing it. Just because someone gives you sheep's eyes for dinner, doesn't mean you have to eat them.

September 7, 2008, 3:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Placebo

So abstinence, good idea. (Okay that sentence was a joke.)
Lets stop kids having sex, because it's not good for them. Nope sex is good for you.
Like Eryth said, abstinence only leads to ignorance, and therefore sex becomes more dangerous and less enjoyable.
O LOUKZ A CONDOM I JUZ PUTS IT ON!!!
But then during sex it breaks, because MR Abstinence forgets to pinch the top of the condom.
Furthermore, it's stupid and unrealistic. Horny 16 year olds don't say ima wait till I'm 25 and responsible.
Also I'd just like to know how abortion leads to girls being slutty?

You do know that sex is how the human race reproduces don't you? Therefore yes, it would kill me, and everyone else if we ( not you and I obviously) didn't have sex.
Also we've raised the whole ' The baby could be the next harry potter' thing before.

You also pay for criminals, weapons, the war in Iraq etc. The amount of tax you pay that goes towards abortions is likely to be less than 1c.
There isn't a financial arguement against abortion.

You say baby, I say foetus. One of us is right, that's me btw. You can't accuse pro-choice of using desensitive language when pro-life calls abortion baby killing.
And it is legally a foetus, there is nothing that resembles human life that is being aborted. When it does become a life, abortion is illegal.
Also due to circumstances beyond the mother's control she is pregnant, that doesn't justify continuing it. Just because someone gives you sheep's eyes for dinner, doesn't mean you have to eat them.

xD No matter how you look at it, you're killing something. Even if it's 'just a foetus' in your eyes, it lives just like the cells in your body and holds all the potential that you have. Or do you not use your potential? In that case, maybe aborting you would have been fine. I mean, personally, if my parents didn't want me, I'd much rather be born and given to an orphanage than never given a chance to live.

And Yeah. Abstinence is a great idea if you don't have an I.Q. in the negatives. Try it... IT KEEPS YOU OR YOUR PARTNER FROM GETTING PREGNANT!

Imagine that! Not having sex keeps you from having to have an abortion in the first place. Thus, if you think of it in no other way at all, it would also save you money. WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT!

Anyways, I don't see what the fuss is about abstinence... Just don't have sex, because it effects the other person as well as yourself. All it is is not being selfish. Hell, I know what I'm talking about... I dated a girl for eight months, I really loved her. And because I was selfless and thoughtful of other people, I forgave her rather than dump her like most people would have when she cheated on me.

Eventually, she wanted me to have sex with her. Later, she even admitted she wanted a baby with me. However, all it leads to is trouble, especially at such a young age. I kept abstinent and, guess what? No babies. All it takes is self-control to be abstinent. Only have sex when you're willing to take on all the consequences it entails. If I did the opposite, I would've had to have paid the price. And if I made her pregnant, I'd be a man and help her with it.

Everything you do has consequences, good or bad. If you just try to ignore being pregnant or impregnating a girl by having it removed like some tumor, you're just going to have guilt on yourself for taking what could've been a good life. Either that or you are just about as sociopathic as some of the criminals you feel we shouldn't pay for.

As for abortion leading to girls being slutty... What? You expect they get a quicky abortion and won't ever have sex again? If you believe yourself, we all screw around every second of the day, right? How am I not supposed to expect it?

Besides, you seem to be taking this topic like a personal vendetta, you may need to calm down...

September 7, 2008, 3:39 AM

wow...reading my last post i realized what an idiot i sounded like.....i am pro-life and when i debate i let my emotions come out ( a bad attribute to have when debating about any controversiial issue) but anyway i would like to restate my point without my emotions controlling my thoughts. Here is goes.......

Abortion is just something i find disturbing. I mean, you are dealing with a human life. Just because it is not considered alive, and i say this again, it is still that which will live. So therefore, if you terminate it before that, it is still considered killing. The only way i can justify abortion is if the mother's life depends on it. If a couple has consentual sex, they should know that pregnancy is a potentil outcome. Even if they are not finaclialy ready to support a child, why did they have sex in the first place?

Now, lets assume a child has a physical or mental disability. Is that a means in which an abortion is alright? Absolutely not. Why should we kill life because it is not as capable as us? Killing life that is "inferior". Isnt that what sick dictator's like Hitler thought?

Now on to premarital/rape. I cant say enough that if people are going to have sex, whether it be premarital or not, they need to accept pregnancy as a result. Now in todays society, teen pregnancies are fairly high. Now if a teen gets pregnant and they were not ready to have a child, why did they have sex in the first place? This just dosnt apply to teens, but anyone who partakes in premarital sex.
Now on to rape. People will argue that because a women gets pregnant due to rape, they should have an abortion. Why? Yes the child was concieved via an act of great evil, but it is a child nonetheless. Why should the child die? How come that is legal,the child has done nothing wrong, when killing the twisted rapist is illeagl?

I just want to finish with the all famous ( and old) quote. "With great power comes great responsibility" just because we have the power to have an abortion does not make it right.

September 7, 2008, 4:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Fify Four

As I said, one does not have to be a person of religious faith to be a person of "moral" character. Any way one wants to slice it, abortion is MURDER, period. Many people try to "dehumanize" the unborn as a non living entity.....for several reasons.....it does not breathe, its simply a mass of non-living cells, its no more alive than any other "growth", it has no cognation to reason. The facts are as such....were we all not simply a "mass" of cells at one point in our life? Life is not defined simply by the semantics of the English language......what about the person that drowns in frigid waters and ceases to breath for up to 45 minutes, and then later is brought back to the living act of breathing.....is that an example of a non-person, because he/she stopped breathing and having cognation to thought? It seems there was another person that classified people as non human and justified the mass murder of millions in course of human history.....HITLER.

In fact the stats of how many children are murdered in just the US each is staggering.....In all of American exterior wars, from the Revolutionary war to the war in Iraq, the amount of lives that were lost are less than one and a half million. However, over one and half millions babies are murdered in America every year. We are told that in eight years Nazi Germany killed six million Jews. The outrage of decent people toward wholesale extermination of human life continues to this day, However, 12 million babies were killed in America during the same 6 year period of time (in terms of years). Total all the deaths each from cancer, heart disease, and automobile accidents, and the figures do not total the number of deaths claimed by abortion.

America has organized groups and statutory regulations for the "humane" protection of whales, owls, wolves, and eagles. Severe penalties are enforced for violators of these protective laws. Not withstanding, in America it is "legal" to kill an innocent baby.

When the "fancy" whitewashed language is removed, we are left with the horrifying reality of the almost unbelievable methods used by abortionists to terminate the life of the unborn. During the time between six to sixteen weeks, the vacuum curettage method is common. The unborn child is torn apart by the force of the suction and body parts are sucked in a jar. During this time period the mifepristone (RU-486) process is also used, The Chemical causes the baby to literally starve to death by interfering with the function of the placenta. After 13 weeks forceps are commonly used to tear the child out of the womb, limb by limb. This method is called D & E. All methodology is extremely traumatic and violent.

Fookin' right. Abortion is wrong. The victim of this evil "treatment" could have grown up to cure cancer, be the opposite of George W. Bush (in other words, perfect), save an endangered species, invent quad-ply toilet paper, and numerous other things. This is wrong. Women that had an abortion are inhumane. (Except, of course, for my mom, but the fetus died long before they took it out. I'm sure my mystery sibling is down in hell, waiting for me, passing the time playing poker with Beelzebub.)

Edit: Another version of that quote, that my father used to tell me, is "Remember Matt, with great drinking comes great irresponsibility!"

September 7, 2008, 4:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Demi-Fiend

xD No matter how you look at it, you're killing something. Even if it's 'just a foetus' in your eyes, it lives just like the cells in your body and holds all the potential that you have. Or do you not use your potential? In that case, maybe aborting you would have been fine. I mean, personally, if my parents didn't want me, I'd much rather be born and given to an orphanage than never given a chance to live.

Actually no. Lrn 2 red.
It is a foetus. Since you are 18 you aren't a medical doctor, so it perhaps a little stupid of me to assume that you knew the facts. Don't worry though, I'll tell, and hell it'll even be free. When you or your partner become pregnant, that growth iinside of you is, and now pay attention here as this area is where you lack knowledge, is not a bady or a life. It is a growth just like cancer, not, and I repeat this for your benefit, not a child or life.
Cancer cells are also alive, so unless you believe that we shouldn't treat cancer as cancer cells are alive, you have a hypocritcal view. Because your view is based upon such flawed logic, we should just ignore it.
So, I ask you, which is it? Should we leave cancer alone and let it kill us, or do you continue to say BABBY R CHILD NOT FOETUS. Despite the fact that you aren't a doctor and despite the fact that doctors say that it is a foetus.

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And Yeah. Abstinence is a great idea if you don't have an I.Q. in the negatives. Try it... IT KEEPS YOU OR YOUR PARTNER FROM GETTING PREGNANT!

Imagine that! Not having sex keeps you from having to have an abortion in the first place. Thus, if you think of it in no other way at all, it would also save you money. WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT!

Since you just said I should have been terminated, you are now lecturing me about not having sex. Whilst I admire your wit, I can't help but think that you are scraping the barrel.
You seem to tink that people only have sex because it is physically pleasurable. Wrong. If that were the case everyone would be having oral sex, no pregnancy and the same amount of pleasure. So why bother with abstinence.

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Anyways, I don't see what the fuss is about abstinence... Just don't have sex, because it effects the other person as well as yourself. All it is is not being selfish. Hell, I know what I'm talking about... I dated a girl for eight months, I really loved her. And because I was selfless and thoughtful of other people, I forgave her rather than dump her like most people would have when she cheated on me.

Eventually, she wanted me to have sex with her. Later, she even admitted she wanted a baby with me. However, all it leads to is trouble, especially at such a young age. I kept abstinent and, guess what? No babies. All it takes is self-control to be abstinent. Only have sex when you're willing to take on all the consequences it entails. If I did the opposite, I would've had to have paid the price. And if I made her pregnant, I'd be a man and help her with it.

Whilst that is a very touching story, and good luck with having a child btw. Did it ever occur to you that if you took this very special girl out for a nice romantic candle lit dinner. Then took her back to a hotel suite that you had booked with roses on the bed and silk sheets. With massage oils, and champagne, and incense. Then you helped her into the jacuzzi you had booked then sensuously massaged her back, and then had sex with her, she might not have cheated on you.
Or if you aren't that kinda guy, a six pack of vodka cruisers and the back seat of a car.
I also find it amusing that you are implying that I'm not enough of a man to help a girl I got pregnant. That doesn't have any relevance. Anyone would think that you are pursuing some kind of vendetta against me.

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Everything you do has consequences, good or bad. If you just try to ignore being pregnant or impregnating a girl by having it removed like some tumor, you're just going to have guilt on yourself for taking what could've been a good life. Either that or you are just about as sociopathic as some of the criminals you feel we shouldn't pay for

Again with the personal insults

I should perhaps warn you that you really aren't on my level when it comes to insults. K thnx
Unless of course you really think that I believe that an abortion is an easy thing for a woman to go through?

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As for abortion leading to girls being slutty... What? You expect they get a quicky abortion and won't ever have sex again? If you believe yourself, we all screw around every second of the day, right? How am I not supposed to expect it?

Next time you make a statement, try to back it up.

September 7, 2008, 4:13 AM

There's a difference between cancer and a foetus, though. A cancer doesn't become a person. ^^

So, basically, you think abortion is right because (in your point of view) you're basically giving yourself a cancer, which is a stupid idea in the first place on your own part. So, it's no harm, no foul, if a life that was going to be your responsibility just gets blended up? Want a foetus shake with that? ^^

September 7, 2008, 6:48 AM

Placebo, you are absolutely wrong. It is no growth. It's a child, you insensitive clod. That "growth" has big potential. It could save your life, take care of you when you are old, and most of all, you'll be able to parent a child. That last one is the best of all. And unless you name yourself or smoke and drink "Ciggarettes and Alcohol" your kid won't be "a cancer". And by the way, it's not "foetus", it's "fetus".