Abortion - your views. - Page 14

September 5, 2008, 10:09 PM

I wouldnt say anyone would be like..FOR abortion per say. I don't think anyone would like the thought of ending a potential life, but, at the same time, you can't exactly MAKE someone carry a child to term. We shouldn't be ruthless people, making decisions in a random womans life. Not our business. You're not going to get involved with this child personally, you probably never will.

Having said that...if you're strong enough to carry the child to term, and either keep it or give it up for adoption, God Bless You. It's hard especially for those who are raped, and become pregnant - not everyone regrets an abortion, some people are able to move on well with their lives.

If the womans life is in danger, and she obviously wants to live, then abortion is an acceptable option. A woman has a lot more to lose then an unborn child - if she were to die, I'd expect the impact of her death to be, MORE of an impact.

So...yeah. If you haven't guessed...I'm Pro Choice. Not Pro Abortion.

I'm also a Christian. Oh my, I'm not a typical bandwagon Christian with Pro Life views...!

September 5, 2008, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatsumomo

What I meant was that I don't think it's fair for somebody to be able to choose somebody else's death. I never said that there should be a law against abortion... like I said, I am well aware that not everybody feels the same way that I do. It's just one of those things that exists that I don't, and never will, agree with.

I think a lot of it is down to when you believe life begins, and for me I think that it begins whilst the baby is still growing in the womb.

I'm not trying to attack you or anything, and I hope you didn't take any offense to it. I just wanted to get the facts straight 'cause that kind of statement seemed quite broad, and...well, y'know (easily misunderstood via me :3 ).

Anyway, I'm glad to hear that you are respectable enough to understand that everyone's gonna have their own opinions. It's (only slightly) reassuring to see people who realize and accept the fact.

September 6, 2008, 2:52 AM

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Originally Posted by THE Brian Kendrick

So...yeah. If you haven't guessed...I'm Pro Choice. Not Pro Abortion.

Um, there's no such thing as "pro abortion." That term was just invented by right-wing conservatives who want to rally people into thinking that pro-choicers attack unsuspecting pregnant women in dark alleys with wire coat hangers and abortion directions printed from the internet. I'm pro-choice because I believe women should be given the choice of whether they want an abortion or not. I HATE the term "pro abortion," which is, as I said, featured in Republican smear campaigns against opponents who have a pro-choice voting record in a twisted effort to make them seem like baby-killers or something.

September 6, 2008, 4:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Erythritol

Um, there's no such thing as "pro abortion." That term was just invented by right-wing conservatives who want to rally people into thinking that pro-choicers attack unsuspecting pregnant women in dark alleys with wire coat hangers and abortion directions printed from the internet. I'm pro-choice because I believe women should be given the choice of whether they want an abortion or not. I HATE the term "pro abortion," which is, as I said, featured in Republican smear campaigns against opponents who have a pro-choice voting record in a twisted effort to make them seem like baby-killers or something.

I'm not Pro Life or Pro-Choice, I dont think either term really defines me well. I believe a woman can do almost whatever she wants with her body. However I hate the campaign that women who are Pro-Choice do, because its somewhat deceitful, because nobody can truly do whatever they want with their own bodies, you cant inject yourself with "heroine"(well you can but you'll get arrested) because its your body. Never the less I see nothing wrong with abortion from a moral standpoint, and I am a conservative person.

Now the real problem I see with abortion is the fact I have to pay for these free abortion clinics which all have holy names like "Angels Hope Center" which is ironic! According to the website I'll post at the bottom an abortion happens almost every second. 31 Million in total, I can tell you right now 31 million women are NOT being raped, in fact according to the rape counter only 64,000 have taken place. This only means its being used as a free way of contraception, and that I have a problem with. I think if you want an abortion you should pay for it, this will encourage those who cheat the system to buy a pack of damn condoms instead. And for those who cant afford one, they should Abortion Loan Clinics which the person can take out an interest free loan to help pay for it. I'm not against getting rid of abortions, I just dont see why I have to pay for it, when nobody in my house has or is getting one. I think this in itself promotes the irresponsible lifestyle, and theres nothing more irresponsible then that Eryth(no i'm not mocking you

). Feedback is valued.

- Kuja

http://www.poodwaddle.com/clocks16.htm

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Woman is concerned about how having a baby could change her life....16%

Woman can not presently afford a baby....21%

Woman has problems with relationship or does not want single parenthood....12%

Woman is not ready for the responsibility......21%

Woman does not want others to know that she is expecting....1%

Woman is not mature enough, she thinks.....11%

Woman simply already has all the children that she wants or needs....8%

Husband or partner wants the woman to have an abortion....1%

The unborn has health problems...3%

Woman has health problems....3%

Rape or incest.....1%

I noticed the higher percentage of the reasons are merely because the woman is irresponsible, and further proves my point. Not to say the man who got her pregnant isnt to blame either

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September 6, 2008, 6:27 PM

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Originally Posted by δ Kuja Ω

I'm not Pro Life or Pro-Choice, I dont think either term really defines me well. I believe a woman can do almost whatever she wants with her body.

So you believe that a woman should be able to choose whether or not she has an abortion? Um, I hate to break it to you, but that's called pro-choice. Notice the word choice in the term.

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However I hate the campaign that women who are Pro-Choice do, because its somewhat deceitful, because nobody can truly do whatever they want with their own bodies, you cant inject yourself with "heroine"(well you can but you'll get arrested) because its your body. Never the less I see nothing wrong with abortion from a moral standpoint, and I am a conservative person.

Yeah, I'm not sure what "pro-choice" campaigns you've seen, but I'm relatively sure that no pro-choice women are going and campaigning for the right to shoot up. Pro-choice is simply the belief that a woman should be able to choose whether or not she wants to carry a pregnancy to term. She should have the choice of being able to have an abortion without being punished by the law. It's not about WOMEN CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH THEIR BODIES! HAI GAIS, LETS GET SOME COCAINE! You're trying to make incorrect leaps in logic, and they don't work towards your argument.

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Now the real problem I see with abortion is the fact I have to pay for these free abortion clinics which all have holy names like "Angels Hope Center" which is ironic! According to the website I'll post at the bottom an abortion happens almost every second. 31 Million in total, I can tell you right now 31 million women are NOT being raped, in fact according to the rape counter only 64,000 have taken place. This only means its being used as a free way of contraception, and that I have a problem with. I think if you want an abortion you should pay for it, this will encourage those who cheat the system to buy a pack of damn condoms instead. And for those who cant afford one, they should Abortion Loan Clinics which the person can take out an interest free loan to help pay for it. I'm not against getting rid of abortions, I just dont see why I have to pay for it, when nobody in my house has or is getting one. I think this in itself promotes the irresponsible lifestyle, and theres nothing more irresponsible then that Eryth(no i'm not mocking you

). Feedback is valued.

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- Kuja

http://www.poodwaddle.com/clocks16.htm

I noticed the higher percentage of the reasons are merely because the woman is irresponsible, and further proves my point. Not to say the man who got her pregnant isnt to blame either

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Okay, I'm not sure that you've learned this in school (or life in general), but when doing a report, you need to find what are called reliable and credible sources. This means academic articles or governmental websites. These are credible sources. Poodwaddle, which appears to be for entertainment purposes only and is loaded with advertising, is NOT a credible source. Now, when I look to a CREDIBLE source for the number of abortions peformed in the United States, the number is completely different. Witness: "According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), there were 854,122 legal induced abortions in the US in 2003." Now, excuse me for being a little doubtful that in 5 years, the number of abortions jumped from a little under one million to 31 million. Moving on...

I'm not sure if anyone has given you the 'bees and the birds' talk, but condoms are not 100% effective at pregnancy prevention. You know what is? Nothing short of abstinence. Condoms are only 98% effective. This means that they can break. There is also the issue of people using them improperly, thus increasing the chances of unwanted pregnancy. There is also the issue of "abstinence only" programs in school, which result in very ignorant teenagers who know almost nothing of birth control. As a result of this, they have sex and then don't know what to do when a girl ends up pregnant. To just assume that women have unprotected sex and then use an abortion as a means of birth control is just ignorant and incorrect. I hope you realize that abortions pose a health risk to women. There is a chance that an abortion can leave a woman sterile, especially if it is not her first. Faced with this, you think women would use abortions as a birth control method? That must be the most ludicrous argument I've ever heard.

I'm not sure where you've heard that abortions are funded by tax payer's money, but I don't believe that's true. I'm not completely sure about it, so if you could find a credible source about that, I'd be interested in seeing it. A majority of abortions are NOT free. Those that are, from what I understand, are funded by non-profit organizations. I really doubt that the government is funding something as controversial as abortions. So you can calm down. You aren't paying for anything.

September 6, 2008, 10:36 PM

Why the hate eryth =P.

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So you believe that a woman should be able to choose whether or not she has an abortion? Um, I hate to break it to you, but that's called pro-choice. Notice the word choice in the term. Yeah, I'm not sure what "pro-choice" campaigns you've seen, but I'm relatively sure that no pro-choice women are going and campaigning for the right to shoot up. Pro-choice is simply the belief that a woman should be able to choose whether or not she wants to carry a pregnancy to term. She should have the choice of being able to have an abortion without being punished by the law. It's not about WOMEN CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH THEIR BODIES! HAI GAIS, LETS GET SOME COCAINE! You're trying to make incorrect leaps in logic, and they don't work towards your argument

Again...like I said in my post, I support a womans right to choose, however I just dont like the argument presented, for that I dont consider myself Pro-Choice, that was unneccesary. With the shooting up thing, I didnt say any campaigns have campaigned for the right to shoot up(i dont know where you got that from

), It was an example to contradict the point about being able to do whatever you want with your body. If anybody is making incorrect leaps in logic its you, I'm on your side, and your here insulting me without due cause...Oh yeah and I'm not pro-choice, or pro-life. I'm Pro-Common Sense, If a woman wants an abortion I honestly dont see anything wrong with it, but to say I can do whatever I want with my own body doesnt hold any ground. Otherwise suicide wouldn't be illegal, or euthanasia.

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Okay, I'm not sure that you've learned this in school (or life in general), but when doing a report, you need to find what are called reliable and credible sources. This means academic articles or governmental websites. These are credible sources. Poodwaddle, which appears to be for entertainment purposes only and is loaded with advertising, is NOT a credible source. Now, when I look to a CREDIBLE source for the number of abortions peformed in the United States, the number is completely different. Witness: "According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), there were 854,122 legal induced abortions in the US in 2003." Now, excuse me for being a little doubtful that in 5 years, the number of abortions jumped from a little under one million to 31 million. Moving on...

LOL, little angry aren't we? I never said there were 31 million abortions in the U.S, that number is WORLDWIDE, not in the U.S, maybe you should use common sense, or read what I say, moving on...

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I'm not sure if anyone has given you the 'bees and the birds' talk, but condoms are not 100% effective at pregnancy prevention. You know what is? Nothing short of abstinence. Condoms are only 98% effective. This means that they can break. There is also the issue of people using them improperly, thus increasing the chances of unwanted pregnancy. There is also the issue of "abstinence only" programs in school, which result in very ignorant teenagers who know almost nothing of birth control. As a result of this, they have sex and then don't know what to do when a girl ends up pregnant. To just assume that women have unprotected sex and then use an abortion as a means of birth control is just ignorant and incorrect. I hope you realize that abortions pose a health risk to women. There is a chance that an abortion can leave a woman sterile, especially if it is not her first. Faced with this, you think women would use abortions as a birth control method? That must be the most ludicrous argument I've ever heard.

More insults huh...do you think I'm stupid or something? The best contraceptive technique is...Abstinence! aka not having sex. Whether you like it or not woman out there using abortion as a birth control method. Quit living under your rock.

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I'm not sure where you've heard that abortions are funded by tax payer's money, but I don't believe that's true. I'm not completely sure about it, so if you could find a credible source about that, I'd be interested in seeing it. A majority of abortions are NOT free. Those that are, from what I understand, are funded by non-profit organizations. I really doubt that the government is funding something as controversial as abortions. So you can calm down. You aren't paying for anything.

Sure:http://defendlife.blogspot.com/2007/...abortions.html

http://www.newsmax.com/boone/abortio...23/106790.html

Ill look for more later, in the mean time, be a lil nicer to me, I'm on your side

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- Kuja

September 6, 2008, 11:20 PM

Woooooo, a resurrected debate!

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Originally Posted by Ryuuzaki

Girl: Hey...do you believe in abortion?

Guy: Yeah I guess.

Girl:...do you believe in murdering someone?

Guy: no.

See what I mean. There is NO difference between murdering someone with some kind of weapon and abortion, imo.

First of all, give me a moment to lol at the fail. xD

That hypothetical situation is so biased and undetailed that I can't even begin to take it seriously. "Do you believe in abortion?" (addressing issues such as "are we ready?", "do you want to have a child right now?" and "can we afford to raise a baby?") is completely different to "Do you believe in murder?" (which just blatantly asks if you're alright with killing a person). In the long run, the abortion will prevent a ruined life for both the mother and father, and even the child, if it wouldn't have been an adequate living environment. Additionally, some people are even in favour of murder, by means of "mercy killing", which, in a way, I believe abortion comes under.

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Originally Posted by Kazanator

Just because the fetus is not alive does not justify abortion.

I don't believe that it needs to be justified, particularly when people such as yourself admit that they do not believe that the foetus is alive. Babies begin as an undifferentiated cluster of cells that really has no purpose other than to develop into something remotely life-like.

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And maybe if people were not out trying to get laid all the time, they would not have to choose abortionon or not

Contraception doesn't always work. Also, as difficult as it may be to comprehend, a number of women find it particularly difficult to stop in the passion before sex to ask the man if he has a condom. I know a number of friends who've encountered this problem - granted, they're intelligent girls and popped straight to the clinic for the appropriate pharmaceuticals but the point is that it's not always as black and white as "don't have sex so you don't have a chance of getting pregnant."

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One final thing.....if a mother were willing to kill her child, no matter how developed it was, what does that say about her ability to be a mother?

That she was not ready for the responsibility of having a child. Ironically enough, I find that to be a very responsible decision.

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I mean, doesnt that go against everything we learn about motherly love, how they should be willing to lay their life down for their child?

Good thing she had the abortion, then - sounds like she would've been a shit mum.

I'm most definitely pro-choice for the simple reason that, if I had a uterus and a vagina, I'd be damned before I'd let anyone else tell me that I had to let a bairn grow inside me and that I had to squeeze a relatively large child out of a muuuuuuuuuch smaller oriphace.

Obviously, I feel a bit more strongly than that but I've posted my opinion in the last load of pages and I cba to repeat myself, so I'll just quote and argue now.

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To comment on Eryth's part about free abortions, the National Health Service (or NHS) provides free health care to all UK residents, so that point isn't applicable to everywhere but I still support what you're saying.

Also, Kuja, are you suggesting that, by "birth control method", that women everywhere are frequently popping round to the hospital a few weeks after everytime they've had their leg over? Nah, I can't even entertain the thought tbh. Once, maybe twice. You'd tend to be more careful after the first time.

September 7, 2008, 12:44 AM

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Also, Kuja, are you suggesting that, by "birth control method", that women everywhere are frequently popping round to the hospital a few weeks after everytime they've had their leg over? Nah, I can't even entertain the thought tbh. Once, maybe twice. You'd tend to be more careful after the first time.

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