Abortion - your views. - Page 13

September 4, 2008, 3:25 PM

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Women have also been interviewed who have had an abortion, and almost all of them have regretted it every moment of their lives. And who is to say that that child who was aborted could have been the doctor who finds a cure for cancer, AID's or any other currently uncurable diesese. Or the leader who brings peace and prosperity to the world? When we abort a child, we abort out future.

That's rather silly, and I've heard this argument many times. As Placebo said the child can turn out to be another Hitler or a serial killer. And most likely it will turn out to be a messed up mentally. Not to mention if it was a rape baby I guarantee that baby will have a looootttt of issues. That child will be unwanted and disliked through it's life. I rather see them dead then continue with life being hated and reminded of a rapist.

As for the whole adoption thing, well, they're going to find out eventually why their parents abandoned them. It's going to be really tough for this person growing up without their real parents and finding out that they were a rape baby. Most likely the kid would end up in a foster home anyways. As Plaecbo said, it's a cycle that's not going to stop. Also crime rates went down when abortion became legal.

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One final thing.....if a mother were willing to kill her child, no matter how developed it was, what does that say about her ability to be a mother? I mean, doesnt that go against everything we learn about motherly love, how they should be willing to lay their life down for their child?

A mother's life is established. She has friends, family, a life. While her unborn child doesn't. If a mother cannot afford to take care of the unwanted baby then she should have every right to abort it. As well if she was a rape victim or had a health condition that could risk her life giving birth. Mother's life > Baby

September 4, 2008, 5:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerridwen

A mother's life is established. She has friends, family, a life. While her unborn child doesn't. If a mother cannot afford to take care of the unwanted baby then she should have every right to abort it. As well if she was a rape victim or had a health condition that could risk her life giving birth. Mother's life > Baby

Well I can't really agree with that XD

I mean, sure the mother's life is established, but if the child is coming as a result of her "sex life" or because she didn't use protection, then she can't just "end" a life.

Actions have consequences, and every person should face their consequences. If the baby is the result of a mistake, then it's the woman's mistake and she NEEDS to face the consequence of that action.

Killing a life simply because you're not "ready" is just pure wrong. You shouldn't have had sex in the first place if you were not even thinking that being pregnant could be a possibility as a result of what you're doing.

If you're old enough to have sex, drink and do whatever you want, if you're an adult then I think you should act like one.

The ONLY situation I'd say, would be where I do agree with abortion is if a woman was raped. That's a different story, and not exactly her fault, rather she's the victim of the thing.

And I STRONGLY disagree with the Mother's life > Child's Life thing. Who are we... to be judging which life is more worth it? Aren't lives declared equal under the Universal Charter of Human Rights?

No, both lives are equal. If a mom keeps her child and doesn't abort, then it's not like her life ENDS totally. Sure it becomes harder and is riddled with responsibilities, but she's alive isn't she? The opposite is true for the child though. If the mother decides not to have him/her/, he/she is just... dead XD

September 4, 2008, 5:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Setsuken

And I STRONGLY disagree with the Mother's life > Child's Life thing. Who are we... to be judging which life is more worth it? Aren't lives declared equal under the Universal Charter of Human Rights?

I think she meant when it's in the womb....it's not exactly a human life then is it, until a certain point it's pretty much just a bunch of cells anyroad. It HAS no human rights until it's born.

I certainly think the maximum date for abortions should be lowered some, but I still believe in pro-choice.

Sure people have to live with the consequences and possible regrets of an abortion, but I'm pretty sure most people put alot of thought into it before doing it....although Im aware some people don't.

September 4, 2008, 8:10 PM

As for people saying that we are killing what will live--do you know how many egg cells women waste that go unfertilized? Yet, you don't call that the destruction of life that will exist, do you? How about, a lady decides she doesn't want to have sex her entire life--does that mean she's not letting potential life live because every single one of her egg cells are going to die unfertilized?

And yet, people are perfectly fine with saying this is all an acceptable lifestyle; people can choose to live a life without children if they so choose.

If you will also pick at the difference between an unfertilized egg and one that is, you must concede that if you believe one to represent potential life and the other isn't, you will have to explain why--as with everyone else's definition of what "lives", it is all subjective. I don't recall a scientist telling me when a fertilized egg is considered alive. Even if they had, I doubt they agree.

September 4, 2008, 8:22 PM

I'm pro-life, no matter what arguments people have for abortion, I just think it's sick and wrong. The way I see it, you're killing your baby, and that's it. And I don't think that anybody should have the right over somebody else's life, regardless of whether they're still growing in the womb or not. Whilst it upsets me to know that it exists, it's a personal opinion and I am well aware that not everybody feels the same way, so I'm not about to go and protest outside clinics or anything.

I think that in the majority of circumstances adoption is a much better option. The only situation in which I would think it okay to resort to abortion is if the mother's life is in danger from going through with the pregnancy. But apart from that I do not agree with abortion at all.

September 4, 2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatsumomo

I'm pro-life, no matter what arguments people have for abortion, I just think it's sick and wrong. The way I see it, you're killing your baby, and that's it. And I don't think that anybody should have the right over somebody else's life, regardless of whether they're still growing in the womb or not. Whilst it upsets me to know that it exists, it's a personal opinion and I am well aware that not everybody feels the same way, so I'm not about to go and protest outside clinics or anything.

This got me thinking, and maybe it's just me so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that statement blatant contradiction to your argument? You're saying a woman should have no control over the decision of keeping or aborting a potential child; however, if a law were to be passed against pro-choice, wouldn't that law, and your opinion of it, be contradictory of an idea you wholeheartedly supported?

It can't go just one way. If you're going to support a concept--ideally--shouldn't it apply to everyone, and not just one party? *shrug*

Then again, that's the way the world turns these days; except that people are gonna do whatever they want regardless of what we believe in, and what the law says.

September 5, 2008, 7:07 AM

Hey, you know what I think is irresponsible? Forcing a woman who does not want to have a child to go through a both physically and emotionally wrenching and painful ordeal that results in another human life on this insanely overpopulated and under-resourced planet we live on. You want to campaign for saving children? Start with the ones that already alive (read: have a consciousness and aren't a little blob of cells) and dying because there aren't enough resources in the world, or they cannot afford/access essential resources. Because really? Pro-lifers will really argue that we need another life on the planet? Adoption? Try China. Or try some third-world nation where there are thousands of unprivileged orphans. Oh, or are we talking about little white babies for parents who want their baby to look like them? Maybe one day people will get over their narcissism. Maybe.

I think forcing a woman to carry a child to term against her will is one of the most irresponsible and unbelievable selfish things a person could ever do. Flushing a cluster of cells out of a uterus is not comparable to ending the life of something with a fully developed nervous system and a consciousness. I'd be more alarmed at the killing of a dog than an abortion. There are viable and more responsible options when it comes to adoption.

Oh, and I know it's nice to believe that if there were a law passed to outlaw abortion, all abortions would stop, but that's just not the case. If such a law were passed, desperate women would be forced to go to 'backalley clinics,' and-- just a logical guess-- there would be a lot more deaths, illnesses, and injuries as a result of botched abortions by unlicensed practitioners. So, would passing a law banning abortions be the logical choice? Well, let's see. Abortions would not stop, and thousands of women would suffer from injury or death as a result of botched abortions because there would be nowhere with legitimate health codes to which to turn. Yeah, that sounds totally genius

September 5, 2008, 8:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazanator

Just because the fetus is not alive does not justify abortion. You are still terminating that which WILL live.

So you are saying every time a man masturbates he's committing homicide? He's preventing those sperm from fertilizing the egg and making a baby?

Man, that means condoms are homicide too, because you are preventing life.

Aw man. This sucks.

September 5, 2008, 9:23 PM

As I said, they're mixing this in with lifestyle. It's like saying a woman can't ever choose to have a lifestyle without children or marriage because even though she releases hundreds of unfertilized eggs within her lifetime, she's not letting any of them live.

Likewise, it's like saying a man can't have sex for leisure, even though it's already been considered an acceptable lifestyle choice.