Abortion - your views. - Page 11

October 26, 2007, 6:20 PM

I think an abortion at a legit clinic is okay.. because unfortunately and I hate to say it like this, but sometimes a baby is better off this way. You have to think about the quality of life some would have if not aborted. I think if you have a real good reason, then its okay.. definitely wouldnt consider it murder.
now necromancy i'm against 100% XD (this thread)

October 27, 2007, 3:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazzel

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that some indiviuals try to indoctrinate us to think they're way, and what the discussion should be is how we ioculate ourselves against those people, whether or not your pro-chocie or pro-life.

Anyhoo, that's my two cents. Let the flame wars recomence.

Mm. See, but the problem is that pro-choice people don't go around performing abortions on people who don't want them. Pro-life people try to stick their noses into other people's business (where it doesn't belong), push their morals on them, and tell them that whether they need an abortion or not, regardless of circumstances, they should not get one. If pro-lifers had their way, abortions would be outlawed. K, I don't want a bunch of little bible thumping Christians telling me about my rights. (Not to say that all Christians are pro-life, but must pro-lifers are Christian). I'm not Christian; I don't necessarily have Christian morals. So it's unbelievably presumptuous and rude for these people to shove their little morals on me and tell me I'm a sinner or selfish for wanting to killing babies. Maybe they should stop whining and read a biology textbook. Or better yet, maybe they should be trying to save dying children who are, you know, actually alive instead of unborn fetuses.

October 27, 2007, 4:28 PM

To quote the immortal Bill Hicks:

Let's see how commited Pro lifers are, if they're so pro life, block cemetarys not clinics

October 27, 2007, 11:30 PM

I believe that the woman in question should have the right to choose. For one reason or another people fall pregnant when they don't want a child. I watched a documentary recently tho which was quite disturbing, it showed an aborted baby at 24 weeks/6mths and it showed the dead baby. I think perhaps, unless its medically unsafe, then the legal limit for an abortion should perhaps be a little lower. But I would never like the right of choice taken away from me if I found myself in that situation. To be called a murderer when you clearly are not is frankly disturbing and unfair to a woman who I suspect would already be feeling very distressed

November 7, 2007, 5:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Erythritol

Mm. See, but the problem is that pro-choice people don't go around performing abortions on people who don't want them. Pro-life people try to stick their noses into other people's business (where it doesn't belong), push their morals on them, and tell them that whether they need an abortion or not, regardless of circumstances, they should not get one. If pro-lifers had their way, abortions would be outlawed. K, I don't want a bunch of little bible thumping Christians telling me about my rights. (Not to say that all Christians are pro-life, but must pro-lifers are Christian). I'm not Christian; I don't necessarily have Christian morals. So it's unbelievably presumptuous and rude for these people to shove their little morals on me and tell me I'm a sinner or selfish for wanting to killing babies. Maybe they should stop whining and read a biology textbook. Or better yet, maybe they should be trying to save dying children who are, you know, actually alive instead of unborn fetuses.

This is precisely why we have a separation of church and state and, as long as people remember what you've essentially summed up, pro-lifers wont have any influence over you.

November 7, 2007, 6:46 PM

We once had a woman come in from Pro-life in our RE class, and she was very...forceful with her views, we got showed disgusting picture slides and warned of everything that could go wrong in abortions and she told us how a baby can feel pain after 16 weeks and everything, and said something like "if you kill a fetus (yes she said kill) you won't be punished by the law for murder, but you will be punished by god" and to get an idea of how horrific these slides were, two girls were crying and one girl had to leave the classroom. At the end of the lesson our RE teacher (after the woman left) explained that the woman did come on a bit too strongly and that every danger she mentioned was very rare.

That afternoon made me wonder why people try to force their views on abortion on people, why do they force themselves to worry about other peoples "souls" and life choices? In my opinion, if someone wants an abortion, they should be allowed to get one, provided that the fetus can't survive out of the room, If it can survive out of the womb, i feel it shouldn't be allowed, since then you really are taking away life...

November 7, 2007, 6:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerith Gainsborough

We once had a woman come in from Pro-life in our RE class, and she was very...forceful with her views, we got showed disgusting picture slides and warned of everything that could go wrong in abortions and she told us how a baby can feel pain after 16 weeks and everything, and said something like "if you kill a fetus (yes she said kill) you won't be punished by the law for murder, but you will be punished by god" and to get an idea of how horrific these slides were, two girls were crying and one girl had to leave the classroom. At the end of the lesson our RE teacher (after the woman left) explained that the woman did come on a bit too strongly and that every danger she mentioned was very rare.

That afternoon made me wonder why people try to force their views on abortion on people, why do they force themselves to worry about other peoples "souls" and life choices? In my opinion, if someone wants an abortion, they should be allowed to get one, provided that the fetus can't survive out of the room, If it can survive out of the womb, i feel it shouldn't be allowed, since then you really are taking away life...

I can understanding feeling very strongly about things, but being so forceful to teenagers is a bit disgusting if you ask me.

I also don't like the way she said "punished by god" as if her god was the only god, not taking into account there may be some people who believe differently in the class. It also really capitalises on the fact that most pro-lifers are christians.

November 8, 2007, 9:39 PM

Women should be allowed to choose.

Abortion cannot be simply ruled out as "bad". In many scenarios babies have ruined peoples lives whether they were intentional or not. Due to this I strongly disagree with the pro-life arguments.

November 9, 2007, 3:57 AM

Abortion is an issue of "LIFE".

In a country (USA), that values an individuals rights, we've lost sight of the most important right of all.....THE RIGHT TO LIFE. Just look at what proponents of abortion have done in the past several years.

They have fought for and continue to fight for the "barbaric" practice of partial birth abortion here in the states. Planned parenthood has promoted and supported abortion by selling tee shirts as a "novelty item" that makes the statement...."I had an abortion, it's my right".

On March 17th of 05 in England a doctor aborted a baby simply because it had a cleft lip and palate, a cosmetic condition that is correctable by simple surgery.

In China abortion is practiced simply to choose the sex of the child.

In Kansas City there is a Doctor who commits partial birth abortions and afterward puts clothing on the child for funeral services and then returns them to the parents for burial.

Yes, I am a Christian and base my principals upon biblical principals and the word of God indeed does say that the act of "feticide" is an abomination in the eyes of God. I usually do not like to quote scriptures as a basis for moral principals, as morality is not limited to people of faith. But, I believe so strongly in protecting the rights to life of the most innocent in our "civilized" world, a child, who's only sin and fault is that of being perhaps an inconvenience. The scriptures that "condemn" feticide in Biblical Scripture and prove in the eyes of God even the "unborn" are considered a "human life"......Palms 139:13-16, Ecclesiastes 11:5, Jermiah 1:5.....all, clearly point to the fact that the "unborn" is "alive" and has a "soul", and the act of taking their innocent life is just as barbaric as premeditated murder.

A list of Abortion "wrongs"
ABORTION PUTS MAN IN GODS PLACE......as man passes judgment without even as much as a crime being accused, and without any due process at all.

ABORTION MAKES PRESUMPTIONS THAT ANY FETUS IS NOT HUMAN NOR AN INDIVIDUAL....despite the facts of modern DNA technologies that prove beyond doubt that a gestating child shares DNA "signatures" of both parents, not just the mother, thus making that life that rests in the womb, a living "individual", who shall cease to "live" without the support of its parental host. With the logic that "dehumanizes" this life being that, if it cannot support itself it does not have the right to life. Then one must ask the question....what would happen to any "child" without support from its mother or someone to care for it, after birth? Yet, once the child's head breaches the birth canal, it is deemed murder. It is a "sorry" practice indeed to place the right to life simply on the semantics of any language, to justify the selfish act of murder and try to justify it with an individual right of "choice".......but again, what choice does the unborn have?

ABORTION ENDS LIFE WITHOUT DUE PROCESS OF ANY MORAL LAW OF SOCIETY....thus, it can only be viewed as murder, under the terms of morality.

ABORTION SHEDS INNOCENT BLOOD.....no more or less so than any act of terrorism does, simply to meet ones selfish objectives.

ABORTION IS SIMPLY AN ACT OF INGRATITUDE....for the most precious gift of all mankind, a "child" to carry on ones bloodline of heritage...even "animals" will fight to the death to protect their offspring and project their continued bloodline.

ABORTION IS AN ACT OF COVETOUSNESS AND POMPOUS ATTITUDE....to actually "think" that one can own the life of another to discard as they will.

ABORTION IS THE ULTIMATE ACT OF SELFISHNESS......to hold ones "individual" rights above the "FACT" of life. 54