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August 2, 2008, 8:41 AM
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Huh, radio?
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i barley ever go to church but i still believe in god and stuff
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Dirty fundamentalist, get out now, we don't accept your radical beliefs around here. |
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August 2, 2008, 6:51 PM
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My apologies Karl Friedrich Gauß but I feel I should be given a chance to defend his more insulting accusation.
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I said ancestor worship was racist, because it is. Where does your family lineage stop?
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I honour in two kinds of ways: those I know of (Grandma, granddad, great grandma, and great granddad) that regularly honoured through my thoughts and actions.
And those that I don’t, which yes goes back to the first real Homo sapiens sapiens who would have been black.
I never put limits on due to colour of skin, only you did. I never said I honour white peoples ancestors.
Ancestor worship does not promote racism, a racist promotes it to be so and the average Joe assumes it is by association.
Only the limits put on it can be racist, not its self.
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Dirty fundamentalist, get out now, we don't accept your radical beliefs around here.
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August 2, 2008, 7:25 PM
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Katsky, I would suggest you watch what you say around here. Please don't insult members and their beliefs or further consequences will be issued.
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August 2, 2008, 8:02 PM
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pro gamer dude. no messin'.
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I'm agnostic. I respect other religions and their beliefs/practices, but I wouldn't practice them myself. I think that science can explain almost everything, but there are some things that are either un-answerable or can be explained by God's existence, e.g. the meaning of life. But religion is basically a mass opinion, no offense to anyone. It's hard to follow what you are led to believe if there's no proof. I'd rather stay agnostic and explain myself at St. Peter's feet than be Christian and discover that there's no heaven, you know?
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August 2, 2008, 9:28 PM
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I am a robot.
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Perhaps, but there's a difference between tolerating what someone believes and allowing them to believe it without question and thus allowing for the spread of ignorance, which does spread like the plague in todays society (the modern rise in neo-Nazi/Nationalist groups, especially in Europe, comes to mind).
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Oh really? So during the Age of Enlightenment, did they outlaw people from practicing Christianity? Did they prosecute and torture the people who didn't believe in deism or atheism? I don't doubt that many intellectual circles then might have discussed religion or encouraged more naturalistic religions or beliefs, but they did not force or harass other people to believe the same way they did if they did not want to, or did not question their beliefs. Unfortunately, I have said this time and time again, but there is simply no medicine for ignorance. The best you can do is bring to light the reasons for why you choose to believe as you do, and not pester other people about the things they believe--it's really not your business, and no matter what you say, people won't change their beliefs. If they do, it's because they choose to, and not necessarily because you told them about it.
Perhaps I shall ask you this. What if you're wrong?
If you feel the need to press your point further, please make a separate thread about it. This has nothing to do with sharing your own beliefs with other people.
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My apologies Karl Friedrich Gauß but I feel I should be given a chance to defend his more insulting accusation.
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I don't mind if you do, but you really shouldn't have to. Such accusations of his should not even be in this thread. |
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August 6, 2008, 5:48 AM
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To just clarify my self on this question. I do not claim a religion in particular, just a relationship. Now if you are asking the question of which religion do I get fed the Word of God, it would be Christianity. As for other religions and people who are parts of them, I have no issue with them. We are not to judge someone just because they are a part of a certain religion. But yeah. I hope this makes sense.
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August 6, 2008, 11:55 AM
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I'm Roman Catholic. I believe in all that The Church teaches.
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August 7, 2008, 3:06 AM
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Huh, radio?
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Oh really? So during the Age of Enlightenment, did they outlaw people from practicing Christianity? Did they prosecute and torture the people who didn't believe in deism or atheism?
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No... but the point I was making was that the established institutions, philosophies, beliefs, etc... were questioned. I'm not proposing to make his bizarre belief system illegal, and if I implied otherwise, feel free to quote, rather I was questioning his reasoning for believing it.
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I don't doubt that many intellectual circles then might have discussed religion or encouraged more naturalistic religions or beliefs, but they did not force or harass other people to believe the same way they did if they did not want to, or did not question their beliefs.
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How is questioning his belief 'harassing' him?
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Unfortunately, I have said this time and time again, but there is simply no medicine for ignorance.
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It is ignorant not to question things.
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The best you can do is bring to light the reasons for why you choose to believe as you do, and not pester other people about the things they believe--it's really not your business
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If it's displayed on a public forum, it's damn well my business. I don't have a life so I have to interfere with the lives and beliefs of others through a digital medium.
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and no matter what you say, people won't change their beliefs.
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That's the stupidest thing I've heard in months.
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If they do, it's because they choose to, and not necessarily because you told them about it.
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You just contradicted yourself. Have you ever heard of christian missionaries? Christianity has skyrocketed in numbers in Latin America and Africa in recent years.
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Perhaps I shall ask you this. What if you're wrong?
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How can a question be an objective right or wrong?
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If you feel the need to press your point further, please make a separate thread about it. This has nothing to do with sharing your own beliefs with other people.
I don't mind if you do, but you really shouldn't have to. Such accusations of his should not even be in this thread.
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August 8, 2008, 2:20 AM
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I am a robot.
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No... but the point I was making was that the established institutions, philosophies, beliefs, etc... were questioned. I'm not proposing to make his bizarre belief system illegal, and if I implied otherwise, feel free to quote, rather I was questioning his reasoning for believing it.
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Well, you said it bothered you that they were "allowed" to believe these things, as if it were somehow wrong to believe everything except the stuff you believe in. If that's not what you're trying to say, then please make yourself more clear. So when I say that the people who made the Age of Enlightenment possible weren't forcing other people to believe the same things they did by torturing other people or prosecuting them for thinking differently, there was no indication that they didn't allow other people to believe the things they wanted to. They just disagreed with some people about what they believed, and shared what they believed without telling other people they had to buy it.
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How is questioning his belief 'harassing' him?
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See above. You seem to imply that you are questioning his beliefs, not for the benefit of understanding why he believes as he does, or for the sake of curiosity, but for the sake of proving he's wrong or not justified to believe what he wants.
People are justified to believe what they will. Even if you disagree, there is no medicine in the world that stops them from doing so, if you choose to see that as ignorance.
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It is ignorant not to question things.
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It is ignorance to believe in things for which no one or nothing can confirm. That was what I meant when I said that there is no medicine for ignorance. No "medicine" you have "cures" anyone of their ignorances, regardless of what they believe.
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If it's displayed on a public forum, it's damn well my business. I don't have a life so I have to interfere with the lives and beliefs of others through a digital medium.
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Religion is a rather personal matter. You may say that it's the poster's own fault for sharing his religion in a public forum because the thread requests such a topic, but on this forum, we do not appreciate or condone the harassing or interference of other people in their own personal lives; ie, their religion. If you are here on nothing more than a crusade to make everyone believe the same as you, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to stop posting about that.
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That's the stupidest thing I've heard in months.
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Can you really know if someone has changed what they believe? Under a sword, a pagan would sooner be Christian or pretend to be one than openly remain pagan and die. But how do you know these people aren't secretly believing in the same things they've always believed from the beginning? The will may be foolish to some eyes, but it remains unchanged. That is what I mean when I say that there is no medicine for ignorance. You can probably change a few people with weak wills, perhaps, but by no means can you change everyone. There are people so devout they would rather deny you by plugging their ears and singing than be harassed by your words.
Here's a thought: What if the people you are questioning simply agree with what you believe to make you stop bothering them?
I will not allow you to use this forum as a means to bother people if they feel you are badgering them about what they want to believe.
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You just contradicted yourself. Have you ever heard of christian missionaries? Christianity has skyrocketed in numbers in Latin America and Africa in recent years.
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Gee, I wonder how they did it--sweet talk or war? If it was the former, they sure did a better job than you did. In other words, the people who heard these missionaries chose to agree with the nice promises the missionaries gave them and changed on their own. If it was the latter, there is no way to tell if they secretly never changed.
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