The Holy Trinity

July 16, 2008, 8:59 PM

The Trinity is a Christian doctrine, stating that God exists as three persons, or in the Greek hypostases, but is one being. The persons are understood to exist as God the Father, God the Son (incarnate as Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit. Since the beginning of the third century the doctrine of the Trinity has been stated as "that the one God exists in three Persons and one substance, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Many would say most churches revolve arount the doctrine of Trinity. My view on Trinity is that its false from what i read in the bible. Whats your views on the Trinity?

July 17, 2008, 3:53 AM

Yes, we know what the holy trinity is.
However I wouldn't say that churches or the Christian religion revoloves around it.
Why is it false?
Personally I think that the idea that god is made up of three parts is a little odd.
But I'm arrogant enough to presume that it is false.

July 17, 2008, 7:32 PM

Chirstans (before Jesus was born) believed that god was one being and it shows this in the old testament. Then when you start reading the new testament it starts to show that God is not the Father,Son, and the Holy Spirit but rather three seperate beings. Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which is translated, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?" This helps prove the fact that Jesus is not the same as the Father (GOD) [Another verse]Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, "Father, 'into Your hands I commit My spirit.' " Having said this, He breathed His last.. Then there is Mark13:32 which says But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. This is one verse that pretty much says that there is no Trinity. Cause if they all were one being why wouldnt they all know the time that the Father will descend to the earth?

July 18, 2008, 1:41 AM

You are entering a religious debate that has been of much controversy in early Christianity. When it was devised and defined at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD that did not stop people contesting it.. There were many debates about the nature of the trinity.

Will post more about this tommorow, when it isn't ridiculous O'Clock in the morning!

July 18, 2008, 1:57 AM

I do not believe they are the same person every person is an individual. However I believe and I'm sorry if thgis doesn't make anysense that their essence thier soul is the same.

July 18, 2008, 6:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ZKnight7

....However I believe and I'm sorry if this doesn't make anysense that their essence thier soul is the same.

Are you Talking about them knowing the same things?

July 18, 2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeshi Nagakura

Chirstans (before Jesus was born) believed that god was one being and it shows this in the old testament.

I gotta stop you right here. Before Jesus was born, there were no Christians, only Jews. They waiting for the coming of the Messiah, and when Jesus came, many Jews believed he was the Messiah. Many more simply thought he was a heretic though, thus the believers became a estranged from Judaism and the budding religion was called Christianity.

Now back on topic. I think Christianity is false, especially the trinity. The trinity is all one being, yet three different persons at once makes absolutely no sense. As a matter of fact, I have heard numerous analogies Christians use to try to make people understand the concept. There's one that compares the trinity to an egg, saying how an egg has different parts (yolk, white, shell) but is one whole egg.

The problem with that is, that while an egg is comprised of multiple parts, they cannot exist separately and still be considered a whole egg. With the trinity, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are clearly made out to be separate entities that are perfectly able of functioning independently of one another...yet somehow we are to believe that they are still all the same person. Of course a Christian would simply state that because the trinity is God, it is outside our physical laws, or our human mind simply cannot comprehend it.

And to that I say this: God made us in his image, he supposedly gave us his same concepts of justice, right and wrong, etc. It would stand to reason then that he also gave us his logic, and logic is telling me that it's impossible and ridiculous.

August 17, 2008, 7:25 AM

I think the Holy Trinity and other aspects of the Bible are truly metaphorical.

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September 16, 2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeshi Nagakura

Chirstans (before Jesus was born) believed that god was one being and it shows this in the old testament. Then when you start reading the new testament it starts to show that God is not the Father,Son, and the Holy Spirit but rather three seperate beings.

Not exactly. Check out the first few verses of Genesis, and God doesn't use "I". He uses "We".

I've always hated this topic. It reminds me of the Three Indian Gods (Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu) and how their not only three separate people, but are part of the same person. To this day, I still cannot understand the Holy Trinity properly.

And yes, I do believe in the holy Trinity. I haven't got any proof, nor reasons. All I have is faith that it does exist. And the basis of Christianity is faith, so, I'll be happy with that.

November 23, 2008, 12:36 AM

the holy trinity is purely logical if god is god and he said his son is god it does not necessarily mean they are the same person it just means that they have the same powers as for the holy spirit it is the force that resided in his disciples that gave them the same powers as god. just because some one is god does not make them THE god