Does God Hate Bisexuals and Homosexuals? - Page 2

May 21, 2008, 7:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Messenger

In Christianity, it says that God loves everyone. He does not like the sin that the people commit. He is saddened that the person is commiting the sin, but that doesn't mean He hates that person for doing it. Most preachers take it the wrong way and say that God hates the person whom is commiting the sin *note I said most, not all*

I find it strange how conflicting the bible is on the point. While this is the closest to my own believe, it can be hard to understand. "God loves you, he just hates what you do..."

What?

No clear answer can really be decided upon, I don't believe. It's up to interpetation and what people WANT to believe.

May 21, 2008, 7:44 AM

Firstly the bible was written by people who aren't infallible, also considering that Christianity was illegal during the time the bible was published, a lot of it is allegorical.
There is a passage in the bible about two men lieing down together, homosexuality isn't exactly viewed favourably by religions. However to what extent these religions represent the views of god is questionable.
However I don't think an omnipotent deity would really be bothered about someone's sexual oreintation.

May 21, 2008, 8:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Scriblerian

I find it strange how conflicting the bible is on the point. While this is the closest to my own believe, it can be hard to understand. "God loves you, he just hates what you do..."

What?

No clear answer can really be decided upon, I don't believe. It's up to interpetation and what people WANT to believe.

Think of it this way. If God hated the people who sinned, then we should all be hated by God then. If that were the case, then why would God put that He loves everyone when He really hates everyone. It doesn't make sense.

May 21, 2008, 8:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The Messenger

Think of it this way. If God hated the people who sinned, then we should all be hated by God then. If that were the case, then why would God put that He loves everyone when He really hates everyone. It doesn't make sense.

Does that same philosophy work for murderers then? I mean, where is the line drawn? Before or after homosexuality, or not at all?

If he loves all of us no matter what sin we do, especially willingly and knowingly, then why even worry about pleasing him at all?

May 21, 2008, 8:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Scriblerian

Does that same philosophy work for murderers then? I mean, where is the line drawn? Before or after homosexuality, or not at all?

If he loves all of us no matter what sin we do, especially willingly and knowingly, then why even worry about pleasing him at all?

Are you seriously trying to compare homosexuals to murderers?
God loves us all equally, which means we are all equal before god. According to the catholic religion, whatever we do we will be forgiven as long as we repent. The point of prayer and worship of god is not to please him. It's to achieve levels of happiness and fulfilment that you can only experience through prayer. It's more something we do for ourselves than for god. The basic teachings of the bible are morality, so what you call pleasing god, is just being a decent person.

May 21, 2008, 9:03 AM

God does not forgive someone unless they ask it of him. At the same time, if you keep committing the sin, and I mean doing it even when you know it is wrong, even after asking for forgiveness, then it is just like you never asked to be forgiven at all. It all depends on where you heart is when you do it. If you heart is in the position of "God will forgive me no matter how many times I do it", then no you will not be forgiven because in your heart, you have already committed the sin. If you heart is in the position of "I want forgiveness. I don't want to do this anymore", and you truly mean it, not just saying it, then yes. You will be forgiven of it.

**Battle Royale: Profiles** · May 22, 2008, 3:40 AM

I've wondered this myself, if God really does condemn homosexuality or not. Personally, as one who has studied homosexuality in Psychology for well over a month, and as one who has friends who are homosexual, and bisexual, it pains me to think that an omnipotent, just God could actually hate them. Many studies have shown that homosexuality is likely inborn, and is not a consciously-made lifestyle choice.

I really believe that God doesn't condemn homosexuality. When it was mentioned that 'a man can not lie beside another man,' it was right after Moses had left Egypt. Keep in mind that during this time, God demanded tithing's for every sin that was committed, even for something like a sickness, such as leprosy. I think that perhaps God, was much more cruel then, than how he is viewed later on in the Bible. After Jesus, the tithing's stopped, so why not assume that a wrongful impression of homosexuality should have stopped along with it?

There are many things in nature that are not what one would call 'natural,' but I think it's very unfair if one were to say God condemned them for that. I believe that the disdain for homosexuality in the Church, is a result of male church leaders, with homophobic tendencies. Not only that, but I think that religion is used as a viable excuse for many person's reasoning behind their homophobia. It's much easier for a person to say it's because of their religious teachings, than to admit that they're just being unjustly prejudice.

May 22, 2008, 10:23 PM

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I agree. It is highly questionable that God would condemn anything natural.

Homosexuality is seen in nature as well, and not mainly because of "gender-bender" chemicals. And other animals don't raise an eyebrow.

Whilst homosexual parenting is a question one can't be certain about, discrimination and bigotry is definitely not something I view as fair or acceptable.

Does anyone even know what God wants, if he exists? Is God personal?
Is the perception of God subjective to each individual believer? Is the Bible, a HIGHLY obscure and cryptic book, to be or not to be trusted?

May 23, 2008, 1:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Contra Fates

I've wondered this myself, if God really does condemn homosexuality or not. Personally, as one who has studied homosexuality in Psychology for well over a month, and as one who has friends who are homosexual, and bisexual, it pains me to think that an omnipotent, just God could actually hate them. Many studies have shown that homosexuality is likely inborn, and is not a consciously-made lifestyle choice.

I saw something on 60 Minutes about...a year ago, I think...it was about these two twin boys being raised by a single mother. They were the same age, she treated them the same...yet one was a normal boy playing with action figures, and the other one was completely gay. He had Barbie dolls, painted his nails, and even asked his mom to paint his room pink. It wasn't anything she taught him, wasn't anything he picked up at school...he was just born gay pretty much.

Of course any Christian could counter that by saying that was just sin, since we're all supposedly born with sin

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I really believe that God doesn't condemn homosexuality. When it was mentioned that 'a man can not lie beside another man,' it was right after Moses had left Egypt. Keep in mind that during this time, God demanded tithing's for every sin that was committed, even for something like a sickness, such as leprosy. I think that perhaps God, was much more cruel then, than how he is viewed later on in the Bible. After Jesus, the tithing's stopped, so why not assume that a wrongful impression of homosexuality should have stopped along with it?

If one takes notice, God was alot more damning of everything in the Old Testament. Jesus came along and suddenly God the Father was all about forgiveness instead of endorsing the Hebrews' raids on cities for believing in other gods. Oddly enough, the Old Testament God didn't give a shit if men had multiple wives AND concubines. So I think that sort of negates anything he could say about gays, and relationships in general for that matter.

I guess it could be said that he hates gays, since he burned Sodom and Gomorrah down. As a matter of fact, the whole of Genesis 18 and 19 paints gays in a pretty awful light.

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Originally Posted by Genesis 19

1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground.
2 "My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning."
"No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square."
3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate.
4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house.
5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

That right there makes it look like gays are all sex-starved perverts who want to rape angels. Now whether that actually HAPPENED no one can say...it most likely didn't, and if it did it certainly can't speak for the entire gay community, it just happened to be a group of men with serious issues.

So maybe God's butthurt that gays tried to rape his angels several hundred years ago and so he really does hate them. Or maybe it's all just a load of paranoid crap concocted by Hebrews and passed down through Christianity and Catholicism. Other societies have had no problem with homosexuality or bisexuality (such as the ancient Greeks and Japanese)...and frankly, I could care less what the god of a bunch of bigoted nomads thinks.