Do you believe in God? - Page 8

March 25, 2007, 9:55 PM

lol, Its ok. No need to apologize. I just wanted to clarify that it is a scientific theory and that when its simplified to utmost means, yea it'd kind of be that. But if someone simplified God, it'd be "Powerful guy" or something like that depending on what you believe.

And I really hope this topic doesn't go way of the science vs religion debate. That thread is somewhere else on this forum. Just focus on whether or not there is God. I may have contradicted a lot of my posts with this request, but lets stay on topic.

March 25, 2007, 9:57 PM

Well, at least when you say you don't really understand the big bang, so you don't believe in it, you're admitting to something most people wouldn't, and being completely honest about why you don't believe in it. Good for you.

March 26, 2007, 5:25 PM

^ Much better

I have to say, I quite like your thinking style and how your mind operates.

March 27, 2007, 3:01 AM

Man, I hate coming into these kinds of debates late, because I never know how to introduce my beliefs and feelings on these matters. However, in this case, Cleomenes has broken that ice for me. Thank you for saving me all that typing as my feelings nearly mirror yours. I probably wouldn't have said it quite as harshly, but sometimes these kinds of things need to be said harshly. Well done.

March 27, 2007, 3:14 AM

First, let me state that I am a Christian, but there are beliefs from other religions that I very much agree with, and some in my own religion I disagree with.

I do believe in a all knowing God/Deity/Spriit (But I call him God), who created everything. I don't believe that He'll just right every wrong, because we need to right the wrongs ourselves.

1.There are several religious books talking of a 'higher power' who created to universe, or is at the center of it.
2.I don't believe something so complex and precious could have been started with a 'bang'.
3.There have been miracles around the world that just can't be explained by any rational thought. Humans have tried to understand, but it's just not possible.

~Will probably come back later to rant.

March 27, 2007, 6:02 AM

Pity you do not believe in a god, Cleomenes. You will have no one to cry out to should it ever occur that you are neck deep in a frozen lake and you find me looming over you, using your forehead for a coaster. For your sake, let's hope this never occurs.

As far as religion as conditioning, then who was it who conditioned your Cro-Magnon ancestors when they first beheld the Sun and Moon, and apotheosized them?

As far as the existence of god is concerned, my very existence is far more relevant than my beliefs.

March 29, 2007, 3:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleomenes

I don't think if that happened I would cry out for Dumbcypher Boringstar.

I wouldn't expect you to cry out for me, child. I wouldn't be listening. No one would, that's my point.

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Funny to imagine people TODAY being just as undeveloped eh? Anyway, that has to do with the noumenal world. Which really doesn't matter.

Aren't they just as undeveloped? Sure, you have your science, so now you know that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west because the earth is spinning, not because of some magical chariot driven by fiery horses.

But has science answered any of the big questions, the ones that the primitives asked back then, and invented religion in an attempt to answer?

The questions I hear everyday when I stick out my immortal ear, such as:

"Why am I here?"

"What is our purpose in life?"

"What will happen to me when I die?"

Humans are still Neanderthals at heart in this aspect, and no amount of scientific discovery is going to do anything to provide answers. And if it can't find answers to the real questions, the truly universal ones, then what purpose does it really serve to the average individual?

March 29, 2007, 3:48 PM

Whether or not you have the answer is irrelevant. It only matters whether or not you can find the right answer, and you will only know that if you can discover it. At least science is taking the right steps towards it, and we can accept that maybe we don't understand what our purpose is in life, or why we're here; if religion can make one up, why don't I make one up for myself?

March 29, 2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Whether or not you have the answer is irrelevant. It only matters whether or not you can find the right answer, and you will only know that if you can discover it. At least science is taking the right steps towards it, and we can accept that maybe we don't understand what our purpose is in life, or why we're here; if religion can make one up, why don't I make one up for myself?

No, science is not taking the right steps towards it. It cannot do so under its current format. Science deals only with objective, observable data. The answers to true, universal questions do not lie in objective, observable data. Science is not properly equipped to deal with these issues, it is confined by its limitations.

Religion takes one man's dreams and makes them the mythology of a culture. This is hardly a perfect system for finding the key to the universal, but THIS, not science, is taking the right step forward. At least, the one man is taking the right step forward, and the culture follows, for their own good or peril. In most cases, I would say peril.

If you do make one up for yourself, that is in itself a step forward, as long as you that solution works for you, and you truly believe in it, and are willing to make it your raison d'etre, so to speak. But it needs to be something personal, something that you have invested a part of yourself in, not something you read from a banal scientific manual, or a foolish religious text.

March 30, 2007, 12:30 PM

do i believe in God,well i believe that we all do believe in god doesent matter what religion,we just gave him in every religion a nother name.

I blieve in god but i dont believe in any religion,i know its strange but since iknow that all the religion once were just one and got apart making up for each different storys of god Jesus and so on,i just cant blieve in any of them.

For me God is no of this religion the way he should be.He is something heigher and we have Faith,Hopes,trust and many other things in it.

I've many thoughts about this one of them is that i believe that all of us we have got a pice of god or Jesus in us.

One i just know is that God is near us and with all things happen he whants to teach us or ready us for something.The Question here is will we be ever ready for it?If you ask me I DONT THINK SO.