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December 6, 2007, 9:23 PM
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Calling all Atheists
God does exist.
Prove me wrong, without the use of science and circular logic.
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Originally Posted by Erythritol
That's like trying to cure AIDS with more AIDS
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Last edited by Finnegan III : December 6, 2007 at 9:26 PM.
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December 6, 2007, 9:25 PM
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God does not exist. Prove me wrong.
End of discussion 
Nice exercise.
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December 6, 2007, 9:25 PM
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I also would like proof.
EDIT: Riku Ninja Posted me.
I was agreeing with Finnegan.
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December 6, 2007, 9:27 PM
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God does not exist. Prove me wrong.
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Original post edited, don't be a smartarse, I'm trying to get a decent discussion going. I'm sick of all this christian bashing nonsense I see here. I'm playing devils advocate if you will. I'm no christian, but I want some atheist arguements proving christians wrong.
And I want it NAO
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December 6, 2007, 9:27 PM
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This is meant for serious discussion. Please post more than one-liners...
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December 6, 2007, 9:31 PM
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That's what I was trying to provoke. Just a short stimulus, however Riku decided to be clever.
So back to the topic at hand.
Can you atheists really prove the non-existence of god, without circular logic and saying "I find it unbelieveable for 'god' to exist, it is implausible" because Christians say the same that they find it "unbelieveable" for him to not exist.
Is it because you are trying to reason your way to gods existence, some say God is a matter of faith, and you can't reason your way to your faith, some say it's impossible.
So reason your way to saying god doesn't exist.
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December 6, 2007, 9:38 PM
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I don't think that any kind of God exists because I find it difficult to believe the entire concept and I only see God as a symbol, or example, to which many religions descend from. I'm hardly saying something new but I'm with that theory that the tales in the bible are only stories and were created by whoever as a book of values from which we should try to live our lives. I'm quite open-minded to the concept of religion and belief in God - hell, I might be compelled to eat my own words if there was any evidence to prove his existence. However, this vicious cycle wont end anytime soon as Atheists will always demand evidence to the contrary.
These arguments wont stop unless God pops in one day and says hello.
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December 6, 2007, 9:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Finnegan III
God does exist.
Prove me wrong, without the use of science and circular logic.
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Don't really leave 'em much do you?
God can be whatever you want him (or her) to be.. Doesn't necessarily have to be a being, could just be symbolic of the creation of the universe and life and life after death.
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December 6, 2007, 9:41 PM
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I don't think that any kind of God exists because I find it difficult to believe the entire concept and I only see God as a symbol, or example, to which many religions descend from. I'm hardly saying something new but I'm with that theory that the tales in the bible are only stories and were created by whoever as a book of values from which we should try to live our lives. I'm quite open-minded to the concept of religion and belief in God - hell, I might be compelled to eat my own words if there was any evidence to prove his existence. However, this vicious cycle wont end anytime soon as Atheists will always demand evidence to the contrary.
These arguments wont stop unless God pops in one day and says hello.
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This is coming back to your beliefs again. I'm not asking for your beliefs, I'm asking why god CANNOT exist. I know as atheists require evidence for everything, why do they rely on the Big Bang theory which has as much evidence as there is for the existence of god.
Also, you're not very open minded to the existence of god if, you said it yourself "I don't think that any kind of god exists"
The arguements won't stop, but they could at least stop using circular logic and stop letting their opinions get in the way of things.
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December 6, 2007, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Finnegan III
This is coming back to your beliefs again. I'm not asking for your beliefs, I'm asking why god CANNOT exist. I know as atheists require evidence for everything, why do they rely on the Big Bang theory which has as much evidence as there is for the existence of god.
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Well, I don't think that any human could have the answer to that question nor the exact opposite of that question. There is no way to say whether or not God does or doesn't exist, but i would say that god doesn't exist because I cannot perceive god. My senses are the only concrete things that tell me whether or not something in this world exists. They are the only thing, as a human, that I can truly rely on. I have never before experienced God; I have not seen him, heard him, felt him, smelt him, nor tasted him ( though I wouldn't know why i would want to ).
Plus, isn't it sort of stereotypical to assume that all atheists believe in the Big Bang theory? I can't really believe it for the same reasons I cannot believe in god.
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