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January 12, 2008, 4:58 AM
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How about this: Christianity is currently the 'hip' religion or whatever, right? But it only originated 2 millenia ago. Before, it was judaism, and before that, hinduism. These religions still exist now, but are not the most prominent. However, as Hinduism is the farthest back traceable religion, why is it that so many individuals are convinced there is a single god? Did he come into existence two thousand years ago, kill off all the other gods, and then retrospectively create himself unto the beginning of existence? While there is really no way of proving whether or not a deity exists, there IS no way that one can just dogmatically claim that it is the christian god, or the judaic god, or the many plural gods of other cultures. Personally, I think that if there was at one point a god/gods, this planet was likely the result of a drunken bet, and they have since moved on to other parts of the cosmos. Consider this; Yeah, 'he' resurected jesus, and parted the red sea for moses, but - what have you done for me lately?
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January 13, 2008, 7:29 AM
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you obvisiously dont love god, and if you dont love god, your gonna burn in hell according to him.
christianity is not 'hip' its just the most powerful.
as for the god thing, it would be brahman who became god, as brahman is the god that created all others
and christians always have an answer for that, 'god works in mysterious ways'.
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January 13, 2008, 8:35 AM
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you obvisiously dont love god, and if you dont love god, your gonna burn in hell according to him.
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And you would agree with that?
I actually find it amusing that there are people that don't realize how ridiculous and disrespectful it is for them to tell others they're going to hell--some people even find comfort in the fact that people are going to hell for which they cannot judge, according to their bible.
But then again, why believe in a hell that exists just as much as God, something for which I cannot love as a character or being if I cannot see him?
You love the things and the people you interact with and can see and talk with--if you cannot interact with such people or things, you can't really "love" them.
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christianity is not 'hip' its just the most powerful.
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And I can certainly see why. They had just about the entire Western world believing the Earth was flat and 6000 years old.
I find it amusing that such a religion actually makes people believe in things which might be considered logically ridiculous.
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as for the god thing, it would be brahman who became god, as brahman is the god that created all others
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I have studied a bit about Hinduism, and I don't blame people for not knowing this, but it's rather complicated, and their belief in god(s) are actually both monotheistic and polytheistic. You can't give brahman all the credit because it could be said that the entire existence of the universe is a loop, meaning brahman didn't necessarily start everything--he might have created the others in a process, but this could not have happened unless they were destroyed.
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and christians always have an answer for that, 'god works in mysterious ways'.
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3 is an answer to 1+1, but it is not the correct answer. Saying "god works in mysterious ways" is analogous to the "god did it" response in science which also means you fail as a scientist, and in a debate, it is considered a circular logic fallacy. In other words, it's not a particularly great or meaningful answer.
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January 13, 2008, 9:59 PM
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that was what i was alluding to.
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January 15, 2008, 4:52 AM
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Uh, sorry but I'd have to agree with The End here.
I think it's ridiculous how much religion is being used a scapegoat for such natural catastrophes. If God indeed was the cause of such bad happenings in the world, then are you saying that man is free of all blame from this? Man is hardly pure himself, bud.
Point B:
a.) There were numerous authors to the Bible, most of course with suspicious intents.
b.) The Bible was hardly all bullshit. And what contradictions? I find hardly any trace of these contradictions that are alleged to be contained in the Bible. And really, is there any work of merit that doesn't spark outrage or just makes you stop and wonder about things? 'On opium'?! Do we actually know that the authors of the Bible were fraudulent? Do we actually know that the authors were merely hired to spread some evil truth that humans could not be able to bear?
Did they simply like fucking around with people and take advantage of the fervor of Christianity in its beginnings? If you believe that the Bible is still the result of overindulgence in cheap crack, why not, hey, take a look at other religions and the similarities.
I think not. Until we know for sure, this is my conviction.
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I find it funny how those who follow religion blame Man and the devil when things go wrong, but keep their faith in someone who is said to help if deemed worthy through prayer. Don't you think that if your god does exist that either A) he hates man because he sure as hell has not interveined in the worlds affairs or B) he would step in and do something instead of letting mankind suffer. Who's to say that the author(s) of the bible were not fraudulent? until i am proven wrong, by fact, then anyone who played part in creating the bible is a potentional enemy of man. If man is as bad as believers say then wouldn't it make perfect sense to gain control by exploiting a "god"? And writing a book cliaming it to be his will? and yes there is various works that do not spark outrage, everyday books that don't try to police the world and brainwash mankind into believeing ideals which just make life more difficult. Honestly tell me that if the world was godless and the slightest shred of god did not exist, that there would be more conflict. The catholic church along with the other religions have not really changed all that much, sure there is no longer the spanish inqusition, or the salem witch trials, but still the church tries to police the world. Not through government, but through brainwashing and selling hope. I don't just feel this way about catholicism and christianity, but about all organized and un-organized religion. Jihaad is a prime example of how religion negatively affects the world.
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you obvisiously dont love god, and if you dont love god, your gonna burn in hell according to him.
christianity is not 'hip' its just the most powerful.
as for the god thing, it would be brahman who became god, as brahman is the god that created all others
and christians always have an answer for that, 'god works in mysterious ways'.
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Technically Christianity is nto the mos powerful religion. based on generalized beliefs they are, but here is the actual statistic according to " religious population"
1) Christians - 2,116,909,552 (which includes 1,117,759,185 Roman Catholics, 372,586,395 Protestants, 221,746,920 Orthodox, and 81,865,869 Anglicans)
2) Islam - 1,282,780,149
3) Hindus - 856,690,863
4) Buddhists - 381,610,979
5) Sikhs - 25,139,912
6) Jews - 14,826,102
And... a) Others - 814,146,396
b) Non-Religious - 801,898,746
c) Atheists - 152,128,701
subtract all the little sub-categories and Muslims take the cake, not only that but the Islamic religion is also the most powerful currently because of their control. The whole world is at tension right now based on their ability to control fear with small groups of radicals. (ATTN: i am not stating that I am muslim and it is better, nor am i generalizing all muslims/islamic followers as terrorists.)
without the grouping of the christianity category, none of those come close to Islamic religion.
so your stement by saying that christianity was the "most powerful" was incorrect, factually speaking and in terms of Populace control.
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January 15, 2008, 8:02 AM
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its islam not muslim
and there are different denominations of that,
the pope is much more powerful then any ayatollah, bush met him.
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so your stement by saying that christianity was the "most powerful" was incorrect, factually speaking and in terms of Populace control
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no, your wrong.
the bible is not inherently evil, or fraudulent, some parts of it are very wrong, yet most people's morality comes from the bible and the ten commandmants,( i know that they are from Judaism).
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Jihaad is a prime example of how religion negatively affects the world.
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Jihad is a negative aspect of islam, its bad, but the sharia laws do much more good then Jihad does bad.
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Islamic religion is also the most powerful currently because of their control
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there is tension in the middle east and there always will be. most middle eastern countries refuse to recognise israel except for countries that trade a lot with the US, blaming all this on Islam is wrong
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until i am proven wrong, by fact
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there is no definitive proof, therefore there is a group of people classed as agnostics.
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then anyone who played part in creating the bible is a potentional enemy of man
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so we should all burn the bible, is that what your advocating? and howcome you single out the bible, not other religious texts; Quran, Torah ect?
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but through brainwashing and selling hope
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i agree, its wrong for children to be indoctrinated with religious beliefs, but hope is a good thing, they dont sell hope, they provide it, with so many bad things happening in the world, some people need hope.
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but still the church tries to police the world
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the church doesnt, but the US and to a small extent, the UN, and this is not a bad thing, genocide in rwanda needs policing, genocide in serbia needed policing, and in the future there will be other situations which need policing.
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Honestly tell me that if the world was godless and the slightest shred of god did not exist, that there would be more conflict
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do you mean if the world started again and that there was no religion then, or that tomorrow there would be no religion?
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January 15, 2008, 8:21 AM
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it is not a debate on wether the bible is inherently evil, i simply brought up the point that Islam is more powerful. almost every country in the world fears a terrorist attack because Muslims ar grouped in with terrorists in most peoples eyes. You can't say "no, you're wrong" and have no substantial evidence to back it up.
you say that most peoples morals are based on the ten commandments, but most people don't have morals. Everyone breaks the ten commandments and sins.
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its islam not muslim
and there are different denominations of that,
the pope is much more powerful then any ayatollah, bush met him, theres of that.
no, your wrong.
the bible is not inherently evil, or fraudulent, some parts of it are very wrong, yet most people's morality comes from the bible and the ten commandmants,( i know that they are from Judaism).
Jihad is a negative aspect of islam, its bad, but the sharia laws do much more good then Jihad does bad.
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the reference to Jihaad was not to single out the islam faith, but to show an exaple of how organized religion always has it's own way of getting out of hand.
who cares if bush met the pope?more than half the nation doesnt even thinks of bush as a serious president anyway. and without you being there asa a co-author to the bible, then you cannot be take seriously as a voucher for its sincerity.
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January 15, 2008, 8:39 AM
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Islam is not more powerful, by our own reasoning it isnt, regardless if bush is a joke president or not, he is still extremely powerful.
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almost every country in the world fears a terrorist attack
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most countries fear tsunami's eathquakes ect, that doesnt mean they are more powerful then something else.
The US army and Israeli army kills vast amounts more people than terrorsits.
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it is not a debate on wether the bible is inherently evil
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yet you called its authors potential enemys of man.
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you say that most peoples morals are based on the ten commandments, but most people don't have morals
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everyone has morals, they just differ, morality is defined by an individual, not society.
as the for breaking the ten commandmants, some people work on sunday, thats not a crime, but breaking most others is.
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