Atheism

December 12, 2006, 1:49 PM

So personally I've come to the conclusion that it's really nobody's business what religion you are or what you believe (or don't believe) in. Christians, Catholics, and whatever don't need to force their beliefs on others (as they are infamous for doing, of course).

But then again, that same rule should apply for athiests.

If an athiest person doesn't believe in God, then that's fine. Who really cares? So what's the point in flaunting it off to everyone and being like "Oh I don't believe and you're stupid for believing"? They go on forums, talk smack about God infront of those who believe, which is pretty much the same on forcing their believes onto another person. Isn't that exactly the reason why they hate Christians/Catholics to begin with?

They might disagree and say "I'm just voicing my opinion!", which is good. But seriously, when they voice their opinion that passionately (or fanatically) to another character, what else could that possibly be?

Did anybody notice the same thing? Is anyone else annoyed by it?

December 12, 2006, 2:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RoseDincht

So personally I've come to the conclusion that it's really nobody's business what religion you are or what you believe (or don't believe) in. Christians, Catholics, and whatever don't need to force their beliefs on others (as they are infamous for doing, of course).

But then again, that same rule should apply for athiests.

If an athiest person doesn't believe in God, then that's fine. Who really cares? So what's the point in flaunting it off to everyone and being like "Oh I don't believe and you're stupid for believing"? They go on forums, talk smack about God infront of those who believe, which is pretty much the same on forcing their believes onto another person. Isn't that exactly the reason why they hate Christians/Catholics to begin with?

They might disagree and say "I'm just voicing my opinion!", which is good. But seriously, when they voice their opinion that passionately (or fanatically) to another character, what else could that possibly be?

Did anybody notice the same thing? Is anyone else annoyed by it?

QFT.
The place for flaunting a religion is your place of worship, if you have no religion, then you shut the fuck up.

Most "atheists" these days are obnoxious little teenagers who think they're being rebellious. I should know half the people from my school are like that.

Christianity bothers me in the sense you get alot of thick-skulled Christians condemning non-believers to hell, which is in fact against the religion, as their god forgives all, oh wait I missed a bit.

God forgives everyone!.....

.....except fags and non-believers.

Ridiculous, you don't see me preaching around do you? Because no one seriously cares.

So atheists, christians and anyone else who flaunts off their religion, Cram it because the only ones who care are you and your god(s).

December 12, 2006, 2:07 PM

I really dont care if they beilive or not, it's their loss in the end!
and voicing your opinion should be with respect!

December 12, 2006, 2:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tidus Blade

i really dont care if they beilive or not, it's teir loss in the end!
and when voicing your opinion about religion, it should have respect to other religions!

Double post = lol

The thing is you just did precisely what I said. "It's their loss in the end" there's that preach again. That maybe so, but in other peoples cases it isn't.

December 12, 2006, 2:20 PM

Which brings me to another point.

Atheists can't really point fingers at Catholics/Christians for what they do, becuase Catholics/Christians can turn around and point fingers at them for the same exact thing.

"You're preaching to me about converting to Christianity, even though I don't want to!"

"You're preaching to me about how what I believe in is useless and trying to get me to stop believing even though I don't want to."

"Selling Bibles and wearing crosses is stupid!"

"Talking about getting married in the Church of Satan and wearing upside down crosses is stupid!"

See what I mean?

And yeah, most athiests who try to force their beliefs on other people are mostly those stupid little kids trying to be an individualists (funny how all of these individualists are exactly the same). I mean hell, I come from a Catholic family, and my parents are friends with an Athiest family, and we get along JUST FINE because nobody's being an ass about what we believe in and what we don't believe in. It IS possible, you know.

If you're going to be an athiest, then be an athiest. But don't make yourself look ridiculous in the process (trust me, I'm well aware that Catholics/Christians do that on a daily basis. Just look at Bush). After all, if you hate Christianity so badly then why would you make yourself out to be no better then they are?

December 12, 2006, 3:38 PM

personally, I think you're blowing the whole situation out of proportion. You see, I go to a Catholic school yet I am Atheist. =D

Anyways, as you might not know, I get ridiculed every day for being what I am. I mean, I am alone by believing in what I do. You do say that Atheist flaunt their believes to try and "covert" someone, yet in reality, they are merely trying to stand up for themselves. Sure, there are some people that go to forums and trash talk their by talking smack about god and whatnot, but I mean, there was probably a trigger for that. For every action, there is a reason.

Another thing, you form a thread about how Atheist are bad because they do such horrible acts, but in reality, you just persecuted everyone by creating this thread. YOU singled them out by what they do, yet in reality, there is people who are Catholics and Christians who do the same thing. There is a thread questioning if there is a God, yet they press everything and use theological references to further insure that if people don't believe, they should. If you haven't noticed, it's people such as yourselves that make them bad people through harassment. I don't mind, though. =D

A side note: The whole prospect of going to others to smack their beliefs in them is part of human nature. It's the simple concept of being better than everyone else.

December 12, 2006, 3:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Splintered Visions

personally, I think you're blowing the whole situation out of proportion. You see, I go to a Catholic school yet I am Atheist. =D

Anyways, as you might not know, I get ridiculed every day for being what I am. I mean, I am alone by believing in what I do. You do say that Atheist flaunt their believes to try and "covert" someone, yet in reality, they are merely trying to stand up for themselves. Sure, there are some people that go to forums and trash talk their by talking smack about god and whatnot, but I mean, there was probably a trigger for that. For every action, there is a reason.

Another thing, you form a thread about how Atheist are bad because they do such horrible acts, but in reality, you just persecuted everyone by creating this thread. YOU singled them out by what they do, yet in reality, there is people who are Catholics and Christians who do the same thing. There is a thread questioning if there is a God, yet they press everything and use theological references to further insure that if people don't believe, they should. If you haven't noticed, it's people such as yourselves that make them bad people through harassment. I don't mind, though. =D

A side note: The whole prospect of going to others to smack their beliefs in them is part of human nature. It's the simple concept of being better than everyone else.

This post stinks of win.
Me and friends tend to question religions alot, in science lessons of all things, but it never escalates more than that, like cramming it in other peoples faces that our beliefs are correct.

We all believe in different things, there's only one christian I know who doesn't cram his beliefs down everyones throat. Also he has his head in the right place and is neither catholic, protestant or any sub-christian religion as he sees them all as stupid, they all worship the same god and Bible, and I agree with him.

"it's people such as yourselves that make them bad people through harassment." I don't agree with that, to be fair, this thread wouldn't have started without a reason as you stated earlier, which means said Preaching Christians/Atheists etc. must have annoyed the thread starter in order to post this. It doesn't make the Christians out to be bad people, it's just saying they don't like the way they do it, and we're all entitled to rant about it, the same could be said for them being entitled to preach their religion, so either way you lose I guess.

As for me, I follow in my ancestoral roots, and believe as they did. Also I apologise for my ancestors creating what we know as Manchester.

December 12, 2006, 7:42 PM

The most common misconception I'm seeing is that when an atheist is asked to defend himself, or why he doesn't believe, some people just don't like it, so they turn it around and try to make it seem like the atheist is attacking him. It could also be said that someone asked why an atheist doesn't like Christianity or isn't Christian, and it could be something along the lines of something the atheist does not like in the Christian religion or the bible. This is something you see on forums, not necessarily because there was a Christian or religion bashing thread created for that purpose, but because there was a thread asking why atheists don't believe, or why they aren't Christians, and it is a religious debate forum. This does not necessarily mean that atheists don't want other Christians to believe in God. When they think that believing in God is absurd or ridiculous, it does not necessarily mean that they think other people should stop believing in God, but they think it is absurd for themselves to be believing in God. Part of it might also be because many atheists believe that faith is blind, while other people value faith more than they do. Generally, it should be that an atheist can explain that he doesn't rely on faith, but it does not mean that he is saying other people shouldn't. I can't speak for every case that exists on the Internet, but there is a distinction that you can see, if you read it carefully. However, that is to say that you can't label all atheists as proud and ignorant people to religion, just as you can't label every Christian as a proselytizing, bible thumping, religiously intolerant jerk.

December 12, 2006, 8:54 PM

To tell you the truth, I find any thread on forums to normally be quite balanced. If there's ever an Atheism-based thread, I find that said Atheist question's the Bible, or questions reasons behind beliefs, or challenge's the religion in some way. Same with Christians/Muslims/whatever other religion. A similar topic you could have created is 'What's the point in a Bible Basher?', as it's the same thing, isn't it?

December 12, 2006, 9:08 PM

What always amazes me is how atheism has prospered on the basis of religious freedom guaranteed by the US and other countries, yet has grown into a political and social monster bent on destroying those exact rights. Certainly, you can legally “believe” in whatever you want, but when schools ban any form of religious discussion, and when youth actively practice religious discrimination without consequence, something has gone horribly wrong in this “modern form of religious freedom”.