[Query] Infractions?

August 19, 2007, 12:37 AM

This isn't some pitiful attempt to stir some shit up with you, so hold yer horses, Aztec.

I'm not sure if this has simply been abolished, or if there's some extra option now, but I distinctly remember being required to send a PM to a member when I had to warn them. Considering recent and also not-so-recent events, I now see that it's certainly not a necessary option, seeing as I've never received any notification for any infraction I've ever received. The justification behind them is another debate entirely [:

So aye, I'm just wondering, has it just simply been abolished? If so, why? It seems to be a pretty sneaky way of infracting people. Not only that, you'll never know what you did wrong if you don't know you've been given an infraction for it.

August 19, 2007, 12:39 AM

i think its optional - i know that when i infract/warn people for spam i choose to send a PM with it to, that way they know what they've been infracted for and how to avoid it in the future

August 19, 2007, 12:40 AM

I've never infracted anyone cause Im lazy. So i wouldnt know

August 19, 2007, 12:40 AM

Meh, for the most part. No moderator since BustaMo has gotten any formal training. The only reason BustaMo got any training at all is because of Lady Aerith. There are formal rules listed but we have discussed other guidelines since you were mod. So if you want a formal PM for your infraction, I can easily give you one explaining it... but for the most part I don't send PMs for every routine infraction. I do give verbal warnings but you've received so many of those already.

August 19, 2007, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerith Gainsborough

i think its optional - i know that when i infract/warn people for spam i choose to send a PM with it to, that way they know what they've been infracted for and how to avoid it in the future

I thought as much. Then again, I've only ever been warned by the same person, so it might just be his technique.

Mod edit: Send me a PM

August 19, 2007, 12:53 AM

Yes AG, justification would be good, not just saying infraction and Pming me the post that I know I wrote.

PS Saying 'Trolling' is not justification, neither is any any adjective such as 'dramatising'.

PS Send me a PM.

August 19, 2007, 2:53 AM

If I had gotten an infraction, I'd like to know in a PM so that I'd know in the future what and what-not to do. =)

August 19, 2007, 6:26 AM

I guess I should step in here and say it's my job to pass down to staff the right procedures of handling situations and of all what to do for given circumstances.

Infractions from now on will consist of a PM 92% of the time. There are certain times when a person makes a Dupe account and it gets banned because that person was put over the infraction limit in points. No need for a PM explanation.

HOWEVER: For trolling, flaming, dramatizing, similar infractions and custom infractions, I would like to see a PM sent to the person each and every time. It's not that time consuming, and it does make you as a staff member, at least validate or justify your reasons for cracking down on the situation. This will be further discussed with staff once I get the chance too.

Also, Aztec brought up a good point. I went to Lady Aerith for most of my questions concerning the ways to mod, and Judge Rulia for a few too, but since then, we don't seem to have a set method or outline of Mod expectations, rules, procedures, and just a general manual. Sure Darkblade made one up for staff, but it's full of more technical maneuvering around the Mod CP than anything else. I will 100% comprise a Lehman's Terms Mod Manual when I am able to compile everything together and explain it the best I can.

As for this topic, it will be enforced. I know the mods don't really have the time to sit down and log every action they make, but for infractions that are aimed to fix a problem and help out a member in the long-run, it's necessary.

August 19, 2007, 10:18 AM

Staffers giving a reason of 'dramatising' is perfectly valid. All members can see their own infractions, and have a link to the post you were either warned or infracted on. If you remember the post, why moan about justification? It's right there in your fucking face.

The only time I see a PM being necessary, is when the post is deleted, or it's a repeat offense. No harm in sending one anyway though.

My Character Profiles · August 19, 2007, 11:27 AM

I...have been a moderator for quite a few months now and...I did not know this was required. I mean I see the message box, but I never write anything in it. I thought you guys automatically received warning messages. =S