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March 29, 2008, 6:41 PM
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I say Sephiroth because sadly I've never played VI. Sephiroth is twisted by the revelations about his origin, and how he desired to get revenge for being used and manipulated.
He killed Aerith without feeling any remorse, and he would have killed both Cloud and Zack if he truly wished to do so. He enjoys mentally torturing Cloud by using Cloud's memories against him.
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March 30, 2008, 12:19 PM
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I voted for Kefka since he was the one who really did what he did because he wanted to. Sephiroth did some crazy shit as well but he was under Jenova's influence and Kuja was doing it for selfish reasons in wanting to justify his existence or something so I would consider them as not in the same league.
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Yes, but Sephiroth was not simply doing it under Jenovas influence, seeing as he was, in a sense, Jenova. And I know you could say that that means that Cloud is Jenova, but I think he is too-but Cloud hated Jenovas ideas, and fought against them, whereas Sephiroth did them not only because he was told to, but because he wanted to aswell (for revenge against being used)
Kefka was, as you have all pointed out, insane. And that is evil, but not the most evil-insanity i not the same as doing things for a reason-Kefka just killed, but Sephiroth did it not just for the pleasure of having all bow to him, but for his 'Mother', Jenova.
I am still sticking with Sephiroth, because he wasn't just doing it for the glory, like Kefka, but he also did it for his 'Mother'.
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March 30, 2008, 2:59 PM
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Yes, but Sephiroth was not simply doing it under Jenovas influence, seeing as he was, in a sense, Jenova. And I know you could say that that means that Cloud is Jenova, but I think he is too-but Cloud hated Jenovas ideas, and fought against them, whereas Sephiroth did them not only because he was told to, but because he wanted to aswell (for revenge against being used)
Kefka was, as you have all pointed out, insane. And that is evil, but not the most evil-insanity i not the same as doing things for a reason-Kefka just killed, but Sephiroth did it not just for the pleasure of having all bow to him, but for his 'Mother', Jenova.
I am still sticking with Sephiroth, because he wasn't just doing it for the glory, like Kefka, but he also did it for his 'Mother'.
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It was clearly stated, ages ago, that neither Sephiroth controlled Jenova, nor Jenova controlled Sephiroth. They shared equal control, and Sephiroth did what he did because he wanted revenge, and Jenova was giving him the means to do it. Jenova also wanted revenge, but against the Ancients, so therefore, both of them had a common enemy: humans and the ancients.
Sephiroth recurred to Jenova seeing that he had no family, that his true family used him for a wicked experiment. Infusing Jenova cells in Lucrecia while she was pregnant of Sephiroth was one of the few horrible things that Hojo did. Sephiroth hated them, he hated the humanity, he hated everything that stood in his path. He wanted something, to have a meaning of existence, and then he found the origin of all his life, Jenova. Seeing that he was born with Jenova cells, he thought more of Jenova as a mother, because Jenova's blood coursed through his veins.
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March 30, 2008, 3:23 PM
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My vote goes for Kefka for rather obvious reasons. It's the motive behind the 'evil' that they all commit.
Kuja isn't really that inherently evil, he's only doing it so that he can be free from Necron.
Sephiroth, also, isn't that entirely evil, in my eyes. He's got a bit of an Oedipus complex, and wants to become the 'God' of the new world, restoring his mother's name in the process. Seems...relatively noble.
Now, Kefka, on the other hand. He's absolutely batshit insane. He's also nihilistic, and throughout the entire game is just causing whatever havoc he can, left and right. Burning down towns, poisoning villages and killing a main character's family, and eventually...actually destroying the world. Kefka goes and destroys any of the villages that try and start up again. That, right there, puts him at the top of my list for 'most evil.' He enjoys causing pain to others, he enjoys causing chaos. Kuja and Sephiroth...didn't seem to relish sadism all that much.
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March 30, 2008, 3:37 PM
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Kefka all the way! He's completely evil for no damn reason. It could be because he's completely batshit insane. He also has his own cult in the game. C'mon. That's freaking bad ass.
Sephiroth just isn't evil to me. He's a whiny momma's boy who completely overreacted. "I'm a monster! Never mind that it's completely worked to my advantage thus far, and I could continue living my life without any real problems....I'm gonna go torch shit! Auuuuggghhhh!!"
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March 30, 2008, 3:49 PM
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Well, Iv only played IX once and that was aggges ago, and never managed to beat VI sooo I guess it has to be Sephy for his meteor summoning total destruction kinda shizz
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March 30, 2008, 4:19 PM
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I'd say out of those three that Kefka is the most evil.
Kefka is evil just because he can be, a typical insane madman, he just loves killing, and being all powerful. The others have some form of motive, but Kefka just does it for the hell of it.
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March 30, 2008, 5:43 PM
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Sephiroth just isn't evil to me. He's a whiny momma's boy who completely overreacted. "I'm a monster! Never mind that it's completely worked to my advantage thus far, and I could continue living my life without any real problems....I'm gonna go torch shit! Auuuuggghhhh!!"
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Gee, Erythritol, you sure are cool and edgy because you can hate something popular. */blatant sarcasm*
Would you please explain to me why you think that Sephiroth is a whiny momma's boy? First of all, he doesn't actually think JENOVA is his mother beyond the event in Nibelheim. After that, he comes to realize that JENOVA is not related to him in any way and recognizes her as merely a means to an end. Besides, last time I checked, momma's boys didn't decapitate their mothers and rip off her body parts to do battle with his enemies. Not once over the entire course of the game does Sephiroth show any dependency on JENOVA whatsoever. In fact, it's JENOVA who's being used by Sephiroth to achieve his own ultimate goal. So, let's see here...Sephiroth cuts off JENOVA's body parts, sends her to her death, and uses her to try and take over the world. Yeah. He's totally a momma's boy.
As for the whiny part...I don't understand that, either. Sephiroth is one tough cookie. Let's see you get stabbed through the back with the Buster Sword (thus severing your spinal chord) and still manage to lift someone off the ground with one arm while limping out of what is essentially a nuclear reactor except even more dangerous. If you think Sephiroth is whiny, I really don't see how you could like Kefka. Need I remind you that, every time Kefka encounters the party before the final battle, he either runs away or falls over/gets defeated? Yeah. Kefka sure is tough. I don't honestly know why people accuse Sephiroth of being a sissy when he takes huge amounts of physical punishment in the Nibelheim Reactor alone.
Furthermore, yes, Sephiroth went insane. He'd just discovered that everything he'd ever been told about himself was a blatant lie, and that he was created for the sole purpose of killing people for ShinRa. That's it. That was the only reason he existed. If you found you that you existed for the sole purpose of slaughtering other people, I don't think you would be all smiles and sunshine, either. Sephiroth deemed himself superior as a coping mechanism. He didn't want to believe that he was a monster, so he subconsciously convinced himself that he wasn't. Besides, he doesn't actually whine at all. He goes outside and promptly kills everyone in Nibelheim without a moment's hesitation and doesn't complain a single time. Explain to me how that's "whiny."
Besides, Sephiroth was a SOLDIER. I don't think people realize the stress that comes with being even a regular soldier in our world. Marines are often put under extreme stress and commonly suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder once they come home. Since Sephiroth was the best of SOLDIER (and thus, put under the most pressure), it's only safe to assume that he had a lot on his plate. When he found out that he was created for the explicit purpose of manslaughter (and nothing more), he finally snapped.
Again, I turn your attention to Kefka, who went insane without any reason. How is Kefka less whiny than Sephiroth? He was psychotic without a reason to be psychotic in the first place, at least not that we know of. He whines, complains, and throws hissy fits whenever he gets sand in his boots. Now, as entertaining as that scene was, it doesn't exactly show any integrity on his part.
Honestly, I don't mind if someone doesn't like Sephiroth. Really, I don't. As stated many times, he's not even my favorite villain in the series. But at least get your facts straight before you bash his character.
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March 30, 2008, 6:05 PM
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Sorry Oathkeeper. Advent Children > logic.
Sephiroth: What I want, Cloud, is to sail the darkness of the
cosmos with this Planet as my vessel -- just as my mother did before long ago.
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Again, I turn your attention to Kefka, who went insane without any
reason. How is Kefka less whiny than Sephiroth? He was psychotic
without a reason to be psychotic in the first place, at least not that we know of. e
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He was the first subject in an experiment that wrecked his mind.
Also, Sephiroth has no reason to be a villain. His only reason to be a villain is a lie that he knows is a lie. So he continues on being a villain because he's just that stupid and 2-dimensional.
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