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I've seen alot of Sephiroth vs Kuja reviews, and it annoys me because neither side is fairly represented, Kuja fanbois always sell Sephiroth short, and Sephiroth fanbois take low blows at Kujas looks.

Before I do this i liked FF IX more then VII, but i wont allow that to interfere with my review .

Sephiroth Crescent
Race: Human
Age: Unknown, but some say 30
Weapon: Masamune and Materia,
Height: 6'2

Sephiroth is a...evolved Human i guess. Sephiroth Crescent was born to Dr. Hojo, and Lucrecia Crescent, but was raised believing his mom to be Jenova. He also which i neglected to mention was injected with Jenova cells while in the womb, he went crazy when he went with Cloud and Tifa to the Mako Reactor in Nibelhiem, or however its spelled. He saw the person he percieved to be his mom, and was somewhat disgusted. He then did research on the Jenova project, and on History, and thought himself to be an ancient, but ultimately was wrong, and so was Professor Gast. Jenova was an alien fom a different planet.

Kuja:
Race: Genome
Age - Unknown but around 17-18
Weapon - None, uses magic.
Height: Unknown but im gonna say 5 foot something =D

Kuja is a genome who was created by Garland to be the Angel of Death until Zidane was ready to carry out his destiny. This angered Kuja, and he kidnapped Zidane, and put him in the planet Gaia. Kuja went crazy during this time, and when he found out he wasn't as powerful as he thought, both he and Zidane went crazy, Zidane imparticular when he found out the reason why he had a tail.

Theres alot of debate over who would win in a battle, and who ultimately is the better villian, i will judge both on these criteria, Power, Accomplishments, Intelligence, Evilness, and Ultimate Attack. Now before i do so, i just wanna say fanbois from both sides annoy me. Kuja fans dont shut up about how Kuja destoryed Terra, a dieing planet which was unstable and weak to begin with. Plus the Cutscene doesn't even show Terra blown up, just destroyed. But not annihilated.
Lets begin!

Lets start with Power: Kuja has raw power, he was able to reach the level of Trance when he absorbed the souls of the ship Invincible, making him very powerful and a nemisis to Zidane and Party. Again Kuja fanbois claim Kuja is more powerful then Sephiroth because he blew up Terra, and that Sephiroth failed in destroying a planet. Such a statement comes from Ignorance, it was never Sephiroths intetion to blow up the planet, just to make the crater his mom landed in bigger, as such that comparison is unfair and ultimately stupid. On a side note, Sephiroth never exerted himself against Cloud, Reunion files claim Sephiroth was much Powerful then ever, however like I mentioned above, he just toyed around with Cloud, and as a result we dont know his true potential, or power. Points will be awarded to both Sephiroth and Kuja since Sephiroths power is unknown.

Sephiroth - 1

Kuja - 1

Accomplishments:
Once again blowing up terra doesn't count!

In this catagory both sides compare apples to oranges. It doesnt matter how many people Sephiroth killed, or Kuja. Ultimately what matters is the goals both had, Kuja was angry at his existance and wanted to end all life by destroying the crystals. Did he end up destroying all life? Nope. Sephiroths goals were to become a god, and to use the Black Materia to make the crater Jenova made bigger. Well he summoned the Meteor but it didn't crash since he was stopped. However he did become a god, sources say he became a god when he became Bizzaro Sephiroth, his reign however was short lived. Sephiroth accomplished his goal of becoming a god, while Kuja was not able to destroy all life. Sephiroth gets the point since he at least was able to transcend into a God.

Sephiroth - 2

Kuja - 1

Level Of Evil: This one should be a no brainer. Kuja was evil and cruel, but had a soft spot in his heart, and at the end of Final Fantasy IX he was remorseful, he died in the Iifa Tree, Sephiroth on the other hand was evil until the end, some say he was sane before he discovered Jenova, but if you really think about it, he worked for Shinra, which was the games evil organization. Sephiroth also killed Aeris which was a heartbreaker to many. I mean sure Kuja indirectly killed Queen Brahne, but killing Aeris was just cold . Since Sephiroth was evil until the end he wins this, while Kuja was evil also, but the fact he was remorseful at the end negates his chances here.

Sephiroth - 3

Kuja - 1

Intelligence: Kuja I believe was the smarter of the two, Sephiroths arrogance, and his desire to "play around with his food" led to uneccecary defeats, while Kuja cleverly plotted Brahne to destroy Lindblum, Cleyra, and Burmecia. And later Bahamut did a number on Alexandria, Sephiroth on the other hand somehow in his own deranged logic convinced himself humans were evil, and that he was an ancient, only to discover he wasn't, and that Jenova was just an alien. Kuja also betrayed Garland his creator cleverly done in fact.

Sephiroth - 3

Kuja - 2

Ultimate Attacks: I hate how fanbois on Kujas side make Ultima() out to be a "ZOMG DIE LOL" attack, its a story-specific spell. Since no damage numbers are ever shown for the spell, it just crippled the party, and the second time led to their death, Beatrix's Stock Break, and Climhazzard also crippled the party. In fact Trance Kujas spell Ultima didn't KO the party, it destoryed the battlefield which caused them to fall to their deaths. So Ultima is out. Super Nova on the other hand is also out, some consider this attack to be a mere illusion, i tend to agree, don't tell me "But it destroyz teh Planetz!!!!!! . So this leaves Kujas Flare Star which did around 2k dmg to my party, and Sephiroths Shadow Flare(for example) which did more damage then Flare Star(around 3.0). Trance Kuja has only 55k Life, while Seraph Sephiroth has a base of 80k. Neither gets any points, Ultima and Beatrixs' Climhazzard both crippled the party, but no damage was ever given so how powerful Ultima truly is, is unknown. Under that base Ultimas real power cannot be verified, and ultimately is out. Sephiroths Super Nova being an illusion, and for the sake of being fair is out. I fought both and Seraph Sephiroth was alot harder to beat then Trance Kuja.

So ultimately Sephiroth wins, Sephiroth fanbois quit ripping on Kuja because of his looks, and worshiping Sephiroth, yeah sure he has the best theme music, and a cool sword, but that doesnt make him the best. And Kuja fanbois just because Kuja blew up a planet that doesn't make him Final Fantasy's BAMF of the year ok? Plus since Sephiroth integrated with Jenova he and Jenova were one, so technically Sephiroth also destroyed a planet. Sephiroth is also an intangible being, Kuja cannot harm him. Sephiroth would win in a fight between the two. To settle the qualms between the two sides, If not for the invincible ships souls aka if it was destroyed(which i think the ship was indestructable) Kuja would've never tranced, and if not for Jenova Sephiroth wouldn't have become a god.

Sephiroth is the better villian, and if the two fought Sephiroth would win, Sephiroth would either slash him to bits, or listen to an annoying Kuja quoting some play from Lord Avon only to get beheaded by an annoyed Sephiroth. Also there was nobody on Terra, Zidane evacuated all the people to the ship. Sephiroth also like I mentioned is intangible, and has psionic powers, plus Kuja can't truly hurt him.
So seriously stfu about Kuja blowing up Terra.

Ultimecia vs Kefka is a better debate.

Well there you have it an unbiased review

Oh and My Spell Check is broken for all you grammar nazis.

Blowing Up Terra =/= Power

Thats all folks

This topic seems more appropriate for the Final Fantasy section rather than the Sleeping Forest.

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Personally, I believe Sephiroth is the superior villain...though Kuja accomplished more (I'm not a Kuja fanboy, but he gets credit for destorying a planet haha). Sephiroth doesn't really do much outside of destroying some towns. He had some pretty sinister plans, but wasn't able to carry them out. The level of evil category should be the main deciding factor, and I agree that Sephiroth takes that one.

Really, it's all a matter of opinion of which villian you prefer.

Many people complain about Sephiroth being a Mamma's boy, begin absent for most of the game, and having a very odd motive. (The fact that it was based on a misunderstanding.) And he was taken out by Cloud rather easily before the game even started and once again in Advent Children. So...

And you have to give credit to Kuja for blowing up Terra. I mean it still takes a lot of power to do what he did.

So if there were a fight, all Kuja would really have to do is float high in the air and then blow Sephiroth to bits.

Just my two cents.

Kuja blowing up Terra, isn't an accomplishment, i do agree though he should be credited for doing so, however you have to take into account it was a weak, and dieing planet .

I don't think one Ultima would "blow" Sephiroth to bits lol. I don't like how Kuja fanbois(not refering to you) claim Cloud easily beat Sephiroth in advent children, Sephiroth was toying around with him, and let his arrogance get the better of him, and come on Cloud stabbed Sephiroth from behind D:, note he wasn't integrated with Jenova either at the time. Ultimately like I said above in my review Sephiroths true potential remains unknown.

But your right, its all a matter of opinion, Kuja fanbois will say "Kuja Ultima Win", Sephiroth fanbois will say "Sephiroth Straight Kuja Thong" or "Sephiroth Masamune"

Well thanks for your opinion .

If Kuja blowing up Terra doesn't count, how about Sephy killing Aeris doesn't count either?

Ehhhh. I kind of half agree with you. I think that fanboys on any side suck, but for some reason FF7 ones get to me the most. Sheer numbers, maybe?

You'll prolly meet more Sephiroth fanbois yeah. But I don't understand why Sephiroth killing Aeris shouldn't count :P, I listed it in adifferent catagory!

And I agree both sides annoy me to death, Rydia made a good point, it depends on who you ask, but meh I gave the best non-bias review that I could :).

-Kuja

this is an interesting one. i think the fact the we saw Kuja go all out and the fact that we haven't seen Sephys full power is an indication that we wont reach a proper conclusion with this...

another thing is that we dont really know the 'world physics' of FF9.... i know that sounds weird, but in the 7 remakes we see the characters jumpin around 50 metres at a time and slashing so much it would carve up armies, seemingly defying physics with their immense power. in 9 we dont really know if the characters in it are capable of such things. they could very well just be how they are presented in the game and pretty much move like normal people but can cast spells or strike with magical power etc.

in the context of this fight what i mean is perhaps KUja would cast a spell and Sephy would just rock up behind him in .1 of a second and decapatate him, or perhaps in ff9 the characters are really capable of jumping around and dodging/swinging/ doing whatever really quick with superhuman power, and then perhaps KUja could match him.

its stupid crap like this that makes a direct VS. pretty hard.

one indication that the world physics in ff9 might be pretty outrageous though because at the end of 9 we see Zidane running around the lifa tree almost with the agility of someone from ff7 AC... but we dont know if this is exclusive to Zidane and his 'theif' skillz, of if characters in the world are basically superhuman as in 7 :S

id like to think it would be a pretty sick fight though, and im sure theyd be pretty evenly matched in oh say Dissidia for gameplay purposes, but im gonna say Sephy is more powerful, he still haunts the world of ff7 and doesnt look like hes eva really gonna die, whereas Kuja's dead like any normal person is when they die (and he never turned into a god.)