Dough For Enix

January 6, 2008, 9:45 PM

Square-Enix is much more money hungry than Squaresoft was. Think about it the first thing square releases when Square and Enix merge is a sequel (FF X-2) and has continued to whore classic FF franchises and not making any new additions to the series. Before Enix FF sequels were unheard of; now FF X, VII and XII all have sequels/spin-off and more are to come (FF XIII). Agree?

January 6, 2008, 9:50 PM

Its not really surprising to be honest, the majority of gaming companies only care about money nowadays, at least a lot of people thought VII, X and XII were at least half decent. SE may be more money hungry that Squaresoft were but thats marketing for you.

January 6, 2008, 9:54 PM

I much agree. However, I do not blame Enix for this... I just think that the remnants of Square-Enix had accumulated large egos and decided to let that fact be known after Shigeru Miyamoto left (which was before or during the development of ten) and took most of the veteran Square employees with him, including Yoshitaka Amano, the primary character designer, and Nobuo Uematsu, the composer (who left for the most part after 10). So what makes those ego-freaks who are left in Square-Enix to do as they please...? All the elite veterans who kept them in check are gone and made their own company, Mistwalker.

January 7, 2008, 1:56 AM

I've never heard of Mistwalker...have they made anything yet?

January 7, 2008, 2:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WolfBlack

I just think that the remnants of Square-Enix had accumulated large egos and decided to let that fact be known after Shigeru Miyamoto left (which was before or during the development of ten)

You mean Hironobu Sakaguchi. Shigeru Miyamoto is the guy at Nintendo. Also, Sakaguchi left after X-2, he was Executive Producer for it.

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I've never heard of Mistwalker...have they made anything yet?

They've made Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey (yet to be released in the US).

For the first post in this thread.

Game companies need to make money in order to survive, if they need to make a sequel, or upgrade previous titles with improved, or new graphics, so be it. With more money they can be allowed to make new games, even a handful of new games with some even being new Intellectual Properties.

As for Enix, they had nothing to do with Square going to the sequel or remake route, FFX-2 went into production and was released in Japan prior to the Enix merger. And "ego's" had nothing to do with it either, if people think that Sakaguchi and some of the other veteran members of Squaresoft had anything to do with blocking sequels being made is wrong, like I previously said in this post, Sakaguchi (father of FF) was the Executive Producer of FFX-2. If he was against it, I seriously doubt he would've been involved with the project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_X-2 <-- Check the link to see for yourself.

January 7, 2008, 3:03 AM

Oy... sorry with the Shigeru thing... sometimes I say one name when I mean another because I know the names of so many game lampoons...

Anywho, I'd more quickly blame the Square side of Square-Enix than Enix for any of their issues... After all, Enix was the origin of the tradition Japanese RPG with Dragon Quest (Dragon Warrior), which of course, was the inspiration for FF. That and I've never had any qualms for Enix titles that come out of SE, except for the design of Star Ocean: Till the End of Time when it came to the female characters... Just the tiniest design issues kept me from wanting to play it...

January 7, 2008, 3:03 AM

Yes they have. Mistwalker made Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey which are both for the Xbox 360. Blue Dragon, eh, it's mixed some, people like it, some people didn't. It's more of a rental game. As for Lost Odyssey, the game looks great and this is what I got from Wikipedia:

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Famitsu awarded the game a score of a 36/40, with all four critics each giving the game a 9.[5] This was 1 point less than the 37/40 score Mistwalker's debut RPG, Blue Dragon, was given by the publication.
Lost Odyssey reportedly sold 40,000 copies in Japan on its first day at retail, around 50% of the shipment

As for Square ENIX, I don't know... They're a bigger company now so they can develop many games at the same time. Square Enix was awesome enough to re-release FFIII on the DS. Which in my opinion... It was smart on their part. Non-Japanese Final Fantasy fans wanted to play FFIII. As for other re-released such as I, II, IV, V, VI, well they weren't that bad. They made the games a little easier and added extra stuff when you beat the game. I was pleased, but I wasn't too happy when they changed the script a bit to make the game more PG.

Eh, we'll see how Square ENIX goes in the future. Yeah, they keep remaking Final Fantasy games and milking FFVII.... Although, I have to admit! FFIV remake for the DS looks awesome!

January 7, 2008, 3:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerridwen

Yes they have. Mistwalker made Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey which are both for the Xbox 360. Blue Dragon, eh, it's mixed some, people like it, some people didn't. It's more of a rental game.

Blue Dragon reminds me of Dragon Quest.....or anything else Toriyama has designed, for that matter. Everything he makes looks the same. However, it's more of a traditional RPG and the soundtrack is pretty good (I downloaded it), so if I ever get a 360 I'll buy it. Lost Odyssey, from what I saw of the opening cinematic, looks like it has steampunk elements (which just about made me orgasm the first time I saw it).

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As for Square ENIX, I don't know... They're a bigger company now so they can develop many games at the same time. Square Enix was awesome enough to re-release FFIII on the DS. Which in my opinion... It was smart on their part. Non-Japanese Final Fantasy fans wanted to play FFIII. As for other re-released such as I, II, IV, V, VI, well they weren't that bad. They made the games a little easier and added extra stuff when you beat the game. I was pleased, but I wasn't too happy when they changed the script a bit to make the game more PG.

Anyone who's not a complete fanboy will have noticed that the only quality, truly good games SE has come out with are *ZOMG* remakes of Squaresoft's games. Left on their own, SE relies on Nomura, pretty graphics and Cloud to make mediocre games that fanboys eat up.

And the remakes themselves are likely made to draw in discerning, old FF fans who know the difference between a good RPG and a half-assed, graphics-whoring action-RPG.

January 7, 2008, 10:24 PM

It's not simply Square-Enix just randomly making games; it's us as fans too who play a huge part in their production.

You always hear and see fans saying that they want so much more from a game. They play a great game like FFVII, FFX, FFXII or any others and they want MORE MORE MORE.

Now we have Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children, FFX-2, DS spin-offs for FFXII, etc...

We can't solely blame Squenix for their success in sales and production, because in all actuality, we asked for it.