Religious Beliefs - Page 11

March 31, 2007, 10:13 PM

I don't like atheism.

Most atheists tend to try and cram it down Christians throats that GOD DOES NOT EXIST over and over again, as if to make them have a revelation and join them in their "atheist way of life?"

March 31, 2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir Strife

Im agnostic i dont know whether he is real or not he created a world full of grief anger and sorrow yet people always look up to him

Humans created a world full of grief, anger and sorrow, not god.

March 31, 2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Finnegan III

I don't like atheism.

Most atheists tend to try and cram it down Christians throats that GOD DOES NOT EXIST over and over again, as if to make them have a revelation and join them in their "atheist way of life?"

Fundamentalist Christians are just as guilty of this as well, since they go around shoving their religion down other people's throats (everyone that's not Christian, basically) and telling them to BELIEVE IN GOD over and over again, as if to make them have a revelation and join them in their "Christian way of life". But please acknowledge that there are the people in between who are atheists and don't tell people what their religions are, and that there are Christians who also don't tell people what they have to believe in. There are both ends of the spectrum, and more groups of people than you give it credit for.

March 31, 2007, 11:26 PM

Well, I was going to say that as well. Christians have also "converted" other people at sword or gun point, or by using the threat of death or physical torture.

I can't think of many atheists who have resorted to these tactics.

March 31, 2007, 11:29 PM

Actually, that makes these fundamentalists worse because it's also written all over their history. There has been no war caused in the name of atheism, at least for the purpose of converting people to atheists that I'm aware of.

March 31, 2007, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Actually, that makes these fundamentalists worse because it's also written all over their history. There has been no war caused in the name of atheism, at least for the purpose of converting people to atheists that I'm aware of.

That's pretty much what I was saying.

For a peaceful religion, it's history is written in blood.

April 1, 2007, 12:38 AM

There's a life-cycle for intelligent people afflicted with the blight of Christianity. They grow up, get brainwashed, go off to college, and drop fundamentalism like a hot potatoe. Some still cling to a Newtonian deism, but most just drop theism entirely.

They study geology and find it conflicts with their religion. They study and astronomy and find the stars don't jive with the Bible. They study mathematics and discover it's most fundamental truths clash with the "Jesus says" epistemology of religious belief. They study philosophy and realize that secular philosophers had better things to say than raving mad Jewish prophets. They study psychology and find that the way the mind really works defies theological interpretation. They study history and learn the truth of the bloody swath of destruction and misery and ignorance and death Christianity has carved through the ages.

On the other side of knowledge it's hard to be a Christian. You can of course flee from knowledge and refuse to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, but this is like driving a car on the interstate with a blindfold. It might work for a second or two, but you will almost instantaneously loose control of the vehicle and collide with the retaining wall of reality.

April 1, 2007, 5:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Crash

There's a life-cycle for intelligent people afflicted with the blight of Christianity. They grow up, get brainwashed, go off to college, and drop fundamentalism like a hot potatoe. Some still cling to a Newtonian deism, but most just drop theism entirely.

They study geology and find it conflicts with their religion. They study and astronomy and find the stars don't jive with the Bible. They study mathematics and discover it's most fundamental truths clash with the "Jesus says" epistemology of religious belief. They study philosophy and realize that secular philosophers had better things to say than raving mad Jewish prophets. They study psychology and find that the way the mind really works defies theological interpretation. They study history and learn the truth of the bloody swath of destruction and misery and ignorance and death Christianity has carved through the ages.

On the other side of knowledge it's hard to be a Christian. You can of course flee from knowledge and refuse to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, but this is like driving a car on the interstate with a blindfold. It might work for a second or two, but you will almost instantaneously loose control of the vehicle and collide with the retaining wall of reality.

Interesting then that some of the most intelligent and well educated individuals in recorded history were theologians.

April 1, 2007, 5:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucifer Morningstar

Interesting then that some of the most intelligent and well educated individuals in recorded history were theologians.

because they didn't have a choice? Because in an oppressive system one fights from within the system or dies outside of it?

April 1, 2007, 5:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mega Girl

because they didn't have a choice? Because in an oppressive system one fights from within the system or dies outside of it?

No. Good try though. Many of them began their academic careers as students of science, and then went over to religion and theology later in life.

Although many members of religious orders did contribute greatly to the advances in mathematics and science, but I would hardly call most of these the great geniuses.