Obviously it must, for it was your free will which led you and allowed you to create this thread, just as it is my free will which allows me to post my hasty reply, despite the fact that it's five in the morning here and I've got basketball practice in less than four hours.


No, I choose to respectfully disagree, the existence of one does not disprove the existence of the other. In a world full of infinite possibilities such as the world that we live in, it is all too possible that both,
fate and free will exist.

I don't see how you can...If fate exists, then you will ultimately always come to the same conclusion. However if Free Will exists then you can choose not to. Unless you are saying that you will always happen to choose the path that leads you to the same conclusion as Fate. That would then be Sephiroth's idea of a redundant Free Will.

My personal opinion is that I do believe in Free Will. This is because if I didn't, and believed in Fate, I wouldn't see the point in doing anything at all. Because of that I want to, and do believe in Free Will, just so I can get on with my life, and see what happens in it.

Well Sephiroth made a point.
The Question is if you ask for the free will in life?

I believe in free will and God, I do not believe in fate.<o:p></o:p>
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It is obvious that we humans have the quality of being able to choose by ourselves what we want to do, we have free will, this is because we are rational being and have morals, unlike animal that act purely on instincts. With our intelligent we can analyze a situation, and take a conscience decision base on our personal morals and knowledge. <o:p></o:p>
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Even went we do have instincts and many of our actions are motivated by them we can also choose to ignore them and do as we like; that is how all the crazy things that you see in nowadays society were created, like the media, games, and machines. <o:p></o:p>
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I’m not looking to offend anyone but for me Fate is just a mundane illusion, an excuse to fail and not try hard enough to do anything, the illusion that there is someone out there who was meant for us, instead of go out and look for that person, the illusion that you are meant to do something or be someone, in reality if you don’t put some effort you end up being no one. <o:p></o:p>
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I don’t believe that we are born with a very specify reason to exist, rather we gave ourselves that reason: we are not born with a purpose, we look for one and archive it: I’m gonna be somebody, I’m gonna do something for this country, I´m gonna make everyone recognize me, I´m gonna be a Hokage etc, etc.<o:p></o:p>
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Bible says that God gave us free will, unfortunally that means that he gave us the innate ability to ´´screw it up``. What I want to let clear is that if something bad happens to you, it is not God’s fault, it is probably your fault or of another human being, but not God, nor the Devil <o:p></o:p>

Alright though, here's the problem - the bible also says that god is omniscient, meaning he knows everything.

If that is the case, then when he first created the world, he knew every single thing that would happen before any of it happened. Therefore, he knows what each and every one of his creations will choose before they are even aware that they have a choice.

If this were the case, can you really call it a choice, or free will at all? That's why I refer to the illusion of free will, you would think you had a choice, but your choice was already decided for you.

There are different passages where Yahweh says that he knows everything.

There are actually less passages where he speaks of free will in the bible.

God could simply choose not to know, he could choose to limit himself just to allow us to be free, if he could not do that, how could we say he has power at all?

Anyway I'm not into getting in God's philosofy now

You do realize that this is the "Religious Debate subforum" right? is ok if you don't believe in God, but you could at least show some respect for the people that do. It helps preventing unnecesary discussions