Creation Theories - Page 4

November 27, 2006, 5:28 PM

Yes, but there, I was was saying this is how they might (who knows how god judges people's actions) be judged by God himself, Obviously, it is one being, therefore I guess that makes it absolute.

November 27, 2006, 7:10 PM

And how are we to judge? How do we know what to do? Why is it suddenly "right" because God said so, even though we do not necessarily know what God says about abortion, euphemism, homosexuality, or numerous other complicated cases? Some people think they know what God says, but then other people say they are wrong. In the end, we do not know what God thinks is "right", and therefore, what his criteria is. We only know our own criteria. Which could be "right" or "wrong" to someone else, or neither.

November 28, 2006, 2:08 PM

Most of the things which are right or wrong are mentioned in the Quran, for example, the Quran says that homo marriage is forbidden because God created man and women to marry together, not for man and man to marry.
Another example was that killing is forbidden (not all types of killing, just killing for no reason or for revenge etc.) because he created us, he gave us life and we cannot take away something that was not ours.

November 28, 2006, 3:40 PM

Are you absolutely sure that every case that we have to deal with in life are detailed in the Qu'ran? It is a fairly large book, I suppose, but even so, I suspect that there may be a few cases which are not explained in the Qu'ran, especially since life is so complicated, and because people don't agree with homosexuality being wrong. Part of the problem is that people who study science do not see any correlation with gender and purpose. That is, "gender" wasn't exactly created so much as it was evolved because it was the most successful way of surviving because it allows genetic recombination, etc. and other reasons why it is favorable in evolutionary terms, but this does not necessarily explain the purpose that men were meant for women or vice versa; it is only a mechanism, it is not intended, and we know because there are other species that exist that have only one gender, or no gender. Therefore, we conclude that there's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Or in the case of the Christian bible (as some people may have you believe), is it necessarily true that women are inferior to men? Most people disagree with this. I should also explain that we do not know whether the God that exists is the Christian one or the Islamic one. And there is a difference because they believe in different things, and what is right to the Christian may be wrong to Islam.

November 28, 2006, 3:54 PM

Well, it wont state everything clearly, but there are many undiscovered secrets in the Quran, since it was made by god, we would not know the meaning of every single word in the Quran, it might be in Arabic but many new words formed when the Quran was brought down from God. And about the homosexuality, I dont see how a man and a man can reproduce, or how a woman and women can reproduce!
The Christian God and Islamic God are both the same, just that the Bible was edited by various people over the years, changing stuff, so therefore making it wrong. The Quran was never edited, since the original copy is preserved, so id you wish to publish the Quran they must check whether each and every letter is the same, or else it would be rejected.

November 28, 2006, 4:16 PM

The Christian bible does not necessarily have any correlation to the Qu'ran one, and was written by scribes that weren't from the Middle East. It might have been closer to the holy text that the Jews used, but their origins are not quite the same.

Surely, you realize that a homosexual relationship may exist for love, but not necessarily for reproduction, as any other heterosexual couple may wish to live together, but not reproduce. I do not see what's wrong with that. I am telling you, as someone who does not disagree with homosexual relationships, that this is something we do not agree on, and again, there is no right or wrong answer.

If there is something that isn't stated in the Qu'ran, and we are left to figure out the "answers" for ourselves, then there is not necessarily a "right" or "wrong". I don't believe that anyone's way of thinking is necessarily "right" or "wrong", except under a given perspective. That is, nothing is right or wrong; thinking makes it so.

(Bonus points for anyone who remembers where that last line came from!)

November 28, 2006, 9:49 PM

Ooh, ooh! Richard something?

I'd just like to add that I love the way Angelus argues

It's so inspiring.

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