The Pros of the Yevon Religion - Page 2

March 1, 2008, 8:36 PM

Who wouldn't?
Power, cool looking robes, it's all good.
You can even keep it up after you die.

March 1, 2008, 9:23 PM

The only benefits are that people have respect and civility. Apart from that, Spira can never progress because of its cycle of death and sacrifice, without technological advancement. Everything that has a beginning must have an end.

March 1, 2008, 10:31 PM

Yevon used sin as a way to manipulate the people of spira, they were in constant fear of sin, and they used this fear to their advantage.

Wakka, and probably most, if not all of spira(not including the al bhed) believed that the only way to get rid of sin permanently was to strictly follow the teachings of yevon.

Yevon is evidently corrupt.
1) Their prayer is the symbol for victory, so its not even original, also you could comment on the relevance of its meaning
2) Yevon outlaws machina, but bevelle is filled with it
3) 2 of the maesters are dead and they kill maester Kinoc to cover up that they are dead.
4) They persecute and incite violence and hatred against the al bhed because they dont agree with Yevon.

And sin was created because of the war between zanarkand and bevelle. Sin came along and destroyed stuff and bevelle becomes the most powerful city, so sin is just a means to an end for bevelle.

Yunalesca is just a pawn used by bevelle to perpetuate sin and therefore bevelle's control of spira, this makes her bad but not as bad as those her use her.

VR said that Tidus and Yuna were not special, i disagree slightly, Tidus and Auron were the ones who led to sin's permanent death because they were different, they challenged the way it was, Yuna and co would probably just done the same as everyone else, and sin would continue.

March 1, 2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikkolas

2) They had to manipulate Jecth's weakness to the Hymn. No other Sin had this weakness as far as we're aware. The Hymn rendered Sin weakened, allbeit temporarily. Any other Sin would have just killed them all right off the bat.

I totally forgot about that, you're right

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Considering Braska's Final Aeon is stronger than Sin and we saw huge loads of Crusaders and Al Bhed getting tooled by Sin with their machina. No one in FFX has the tech or power to take out the Final Aeon except the FFX party because well, they were made up of a legendary guardian, the best High Summoner ever and the hero of the game.

1. I highly doubt Yuna was the best summoner EVAR.

2. The hero of the game? I lol'd.

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As for defeating Yu Yevon, you need to summon aeosn to weaken him thus basiclaly requiring it be a summoner who actually beats him.

Yeeeeah...but it could have been any summoner who did it. It just happened to be Yuna who made it that far. There wasn't anything special about her, there were no links between her and Sin/Jecht like with Tidus, and she wasn't an unsent like Auron.

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VR said that Tidus and Yuna were not special, i disagree slightly, Tidus and Auron were the ones who led to sin's permanent death because they were different, they challenged the way it was, Yuna and co would probably just done the same as everyone else, and sin would continue.

So Tidus and Auron did matter, but Yuna didn't. So I was partially right, anyway xD

March 2, 2008, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikkolas

Considering Braska's Final Aeon is stronger than Sin and we saw huge loads of Crusaders and Al Bhed getting tooled by Sin with their machina. No one in FFX has the tech or power to take out the Final Aeon except the FFX party because well, they were made up of a legendary guardian, the best High Summoner ever and the hero of the game.

As for defeating Yu Yevon, you need to summon aeosn to weaken him thus basiclaly requiring it be a summoner who actually beats him.
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That assumption would have been correct if it weren't for FFX-2. You see, the technology to destroy Sin does exists, and it lies buried deep within the City of Bevelle. Yes, in FFX no one knew of the existence of "Vegnagun", a powerful weapon with the ability to destroy Sin and even all of the Calm Lands and the nearby regions. The only problem with Vegnagun is that due to the fact that Vegnagun can't make a difference between foe and ally, Vegnagun would have most likely destroyed Bevelle in the process during the great machina war, hence why the weapon was never used.

Again, this is FFX not FFX-2, and most of the secrets concerning Vegnagun were hidden by the followers of Yevon. Yuna is not the greatest summoner, she is one of the weakest summoners. High Summoner Braska was a great summoner, and so were the other last high summoners. The key figures that determined the fate of Spira were Tidus and Auron.

March 4, 2008, 3:01 PM

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1) Their prayer is the symbol for victory, so its not even original, also you could comment on the relevance of its meaning

And Summoning itself isn't original to Yevon...so what?

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2) Yevon outlaws machina, but bevelle is filled with it

True.

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3) 2 of the maesters are dead and they kill maester Kinoc to cover up that they are dead.

Um, that's total BS.
Seymour killed Kinoc because Seymour is a nihilist and insane.
Upon killing Kinoc, he leaves the church completely.

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4) They persecute and incite violence and hatred against the al bhed because they dont agree with Yevon.

No, because the Al Bhed get everyone killed as seen in the total flop operation.

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Yunalesca is just a pawn used by bevelle to perpetuate sin and therefore bevelle's control of spira, this makes her bad but not as bad as those her use her.

Um, I guess you didn't read the OP.....

Bevelle was Yunalesca's pawn.

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1. I highly doubt Yuna was the best summoner EVAR.

2. The hero of the game? I lol'd.

I don't. She's saved the world twice now. I guess Yu Yevon himself was better.

As for Tidus being the hero...well he was. He enabled the heroes to beat Yevon like Squall enabled his group to beat a bitch absorbing all time.

Main hero = Auto-Win no matter the odds.

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That assumption would have been correct if it weren't for FFX-2. You see, the technology to destroy Sin does exists, and it lies buried deep within the City of Bevelle. Yes, in FFX no one knew of the existence of "Vegnagun", a powerful weapon with the ability to destroy Sin and even all of the Calm Lands and the nearby regions. The only problem with Vegnagun is that due to the fact that Vegnagun can't make a difference between foe and ally, Vegnagun would have most likely destroyed Bevelle in the process during the great machina war, hence why the weapon was never used.

Vegnagun is hardly the norm for machina... It’s not like it’s a simple piece of tech from the old days that could defeat Sin. It’s the strongest machine in history and it was in fact built before Sin. Some thought it could beat Sin but who knows.

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Again, this is FFX not FFX-2, and most of the secrets concerning Vegnagun were hidden by the followers of Yevon. Yuna is not the greatest summoner, she is one of the weakest summoners. High Summoner Braska was a great summoner, and so were the other last high summoners. The key figures that determined the fate of Spira were Tidus and Auron.

There's no way you can prove any other summoner is better than Yuna.

Oh and I’d lol at Auron and Tidus.
“You n00bs. The Fayth flatout told us the only way to beat Yevon was to call aeosn. You retards got no aeons so...Sin wins.”

March 4, 2008, 4:49 PM

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Vegnagun is hardly the norm for machina... It’s not like it’s a simple piece of tech from the old days that could defeat Sin. It’s the strongest machine in history and it was in fact built before Sin. Some thought it could beat Sin but who knows.

Remind me what happens if the party fails to defeat Vegnagun? The Calm Lands are seen being completely obliterated by Vegnagun, and almost all life nearby would have ended almost instantly. Sin could deal a vast amount of destruction, but not enough to destroy a whole area, so Vegnagun was the only thing besides the Final Summoning and defeating the Final Aeon directly that could stop Sin. The only problem is, that Vegnagun would have ended destroying everything else in the process, hence why it was never used.

March 4, 2008, 7:26 PM

I never failed to beat Vegnagun so I dunno what happened.

However, are you talking about that big gun Shuyin lets out once you beat the crap out of each part of Vegnagun? Where you hear Jecht say "If Vegnagun fires, it's all over!"?

That seems kinda like Sin' Giga Graviton or whatever...it's just auto-death. It never happens because you never canonically lose.

March 4, 2008, 7:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikkolas

I never failed to beat Vegnagun so I dunno what happened.

However, are you talking about that big gun Shuyin lets out once you beat the crap out of each part of Vegnagun? Where you hear Jecht say "If Vegnagun fires, it's all over!"?

That seems kinda like Sin' Giga Graviton or whatever...it's just auto-death. It never happens because you never canonically lose.

I did once died on purpose, curiosity killed the cat you know

But yes, if the party loses, Vegnagun wipes out all of Spira. We could consider Vegnagun as some sort of Mechanical Sin, though I am not too sure. Now that I think of it, the battle against Vegnagun was slightly similar to the one against Sin, taking parts of the boss slowly to reach the source. How original don't you think?