Only Zanarkand? - Page 2

September 20, 2007, 2:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhea

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Zanarkand is the only place that Tidus can recognize because that's the birthplace that the Fayth created him with.

That's probably it. After reading the brief story of X (as I have forgotten bits of pieces here and there), my memory refreshed the fact that the city, Dream Zanarkand was created one thousand years earlier, around the time when the original Zanarkand was destroyed.

I'm thinking this is where FFX-2 and Shuyin plays a role...Shuyin lives during the old Zanarkand period, then Zanarkand was destroyed, and that was when Tidus comes to play. I know there's been theories about Shuyin and Tidus being the same person...and I think that it's kinda true in a way OR (bringing in a post of mine from another thread) Tidus is a totally different person from Shuyin, in which the Fayth probably just remembered what Shuyin looked like - reason why Tidus is created in the same physical sense. Tidus is a physical manifestation of the Fayth's dream as such he, living many years after Shuyin, has different experiences, turning what would have been a close copy into a separate person.

Anyway The Fayth created the Dream Zanarkand along with Tidus (who is a dream of the Fayth - most likely regarding Shuyin, because in order for one to dream, one must have some sort of connection with that person, even if it's a brief interaction...hence, the similarities of Tidus and Shuyin) so the timeline fits perfectly.

Back to the original discussion...(my apologies for going off-topic...I was actually posting for my own understanding of X-2

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This then explains why Tidus couldn't remember the other cities...because the Fayth created him at the time right after the old Zanarkand got destroyed and right at the beginning of the Dream Zanarkand...therefore he couldn't possibly remember anything about old Zanarkand.

He didn't exist then. Notice how clueless he was about almost everything. So I believe that there were other cities than just Zanarkand. We can't depend on Tidus' "memories" lol.

That's just my theory though. I could be wrong.

My Character Profiles · September 20, 2007, 3:13 AM

No, you're right. ^.^
Tidus is totally clueless about Spira. The only place that he knows is Zanarkand because that's the only memory that the Fayth gave him. He has no recollection of any historical wars, and he's clueless about every other location in the world because the Fayth didn't create him with any worldly knowledge.

What I don't get is...
Was Jecht a dream of the Fayth as well?
How can a dream (nonexistent being, right...)become sin?

September 20, 2007, 3:30 AM

only Tidus' world consisted of Zanarkan because Yu Yevon(who's a former Zanarkand summoner) SUMMONED Zanarkand by letting the Fayth dream and tapping their power, so he kinda Summoned Tidus

the Zanarkand of a 1000 years ago was about the same as Tidus' Zanarkand BUT

that Zanarkand waged war with Bevelle(unlike Tidus' Zanarkand) and knew about magic(unlike Tidus' Zanarkand)

so for Tidus' Zanarkand there was no luca, kilika, besaid or bevelle but for the REAL Zanarkand there was

and whole Zanarkand was a dream, Jecht was "real"(like Tidus, and unlike all other people from Zanarkand) for as long as Yu Yevon was alive, Tidus disappeared because the summoning of Zanarkand stopped(with Yu Yevon's death) and so did Jecht and all other people from Zanarkand

September 20, 2007, 3:45 AM

Yes, Jecht was also a dream of the Fayth. They are summoned entities, the same as the aeons...and later it was revealed that Jecht chose to become Braska's Final Aeon...

Now here's the tricky part...Yu Yevon wanted to preserve his city's memories, so he had the cities surviving people become fayth, so that the fayth can create a new city using Zanarkand's image and memories. That was why Dream Zanarkand was isolated from the mainland and the people of Spira didn't know of its existence. So yeah, basically all Yevon wanted was to save the memory of his city, even if he couldn't save the city itself since it was futile.

That was when Sin was created, given form by Yevon himself. He wanted the creature to protect him and the Fayth while he summoned Dream Zanarkand.

Now, how is it possible for Jecht (a nonexistent) to become Sin? Simply because Jecht, believing there was no way to return to Dream Zanarkand, chose to become the fayth for Braska's Final Aeon, and, thus, he became Sin.

September 20, 2007, 3:55 AM

You know, the whole Jecht Sin thing brings back something I remember Bahamut's Fayth telling Tidus. He said "Both you and your father have been touched by Sin. You're more than just dreams now."

If they were more than just dreams since Jecht was Sin and Tidus was Jecht's son who'd also been touched by Sin, why did Tidus disappear when the dream ended? What exactly did they mean by him, Tidus, becoming more than just a dream?

September 20, 2007, 6:05 PM

If I recall correctly, Sin (Yu Yevon) has the capability to shift between dimensions, or so it is hinted at. This is -we assume- how he entered the dream world (or merely because of the fact it's primarily Yu's creation). As far as the game informs us, it seems that should an artificial entity have contact with a something as real as Sin, it too would become similarly as 'real.' This is apparent with Tidus and Jecht. How this is possible is unexplained... so we can just speculate.

My guess is that these dreams are merely pyreflies, animated by Yu Yevon. This would imply that they were always real - just in a different plane of existence. The extent of Yu Yevon's power is hinted at from Maechen in Gagazet, I believe, so it seems entirely plausible. The Fayth are just spirits anyway, so it also seems entirely possible that a 'dream' person could become a Fayth of the Final Summoning.

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Originally Posted by Lady Aerith

You know, the whole Jecht Sin thing brings back something I remember Bahamut's Fayth telling Tidus. He said "Both you and your father have been touched by Sin. You're more than just dreams now."

If they were more than just dreams since Jecht was Sin and Tidus was Jecht's son who'd also been touched by Sin, why did Tidus disappear when the dream ended? What exactly did they mean by him, Tidus, becoming more than just a dream?

It's like computer data. If you create and save an image on your computer, and then transfer it to mine, is it any less of the same data? Is it anything more than it was?
The Fayth are to dreams as the heart is to humans. One cannot exist without the other (though this seems to have been rendered utter bullshit in X-2. xD [unless they had some kind of necromancy abilities]), and as such would cease to exist if the source was removed. T'is how I see it anyway.

As for the original topic, Zanarkand was the only location which was 'preserved' by dreaming, so yes, there is only Zanarkand in the dream world.

September 20, 2007, 9:59 PM

Thats the point...we're deliberately NOT told about anything else except the old zanarkand back 1000 years ago. Why: To make you use your own imagination. I think spira was a slightly more machina version of the modern day spira. thats my theory

We are told about another city...Bevelle. Apparently, bevelle went to war with zanarkand because zanarkand used machina.

September 23, 2007, 11:23 PM

This is all confusion. Rofl.

So, are you saying that Tidus only remembers Zanarkand because that's all the dreams gave him? =/.

So, the time that Dream Zanarkand was built, The old zanarkand was destroyed, hence them creating the Dream one in the first place.

But, wouldn't the faith know of every other place in Spira since they live throughout it?

September 23, 2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hayate

So, like...In Tidus' Zanarkand, was there only...Zanarkand? No, Luca, Killika, or any of the sort?

So, after one thousand years all this stuff was built?

;; Help me understand.

Zanarkand looked HUGE and the ruins were small. =/.

The question is: Was Tidus' Zanarkand the only place around at that time?

Ok you know what, after re-reading everything, I think I finally get it...lol.

The question...Was Tidus' Zanarkand the only place around at that time? You're talking about the Dream Zanarkand...which is isolated from the rest of the mainland. So the answer is no...Dream Zanarkand isn't the only place because there was Kilika, Bevelle, and all the other cities. View it as some sort of dimension, like Saix said. Yu Yevon was controlling Dream Zanarkand, so when the party finally defeated Yu Yevon, Dream Zanarkand disappeared, along with Tidus.

You have to remember, Tidus wasn't in the Old Zanarkand - he was created after it was destroyed...hence, Dream Zanarkand, which is in the same period as the world we explored as Tidus.