Sin Aeon VS Bevelle's Strongest Machina

March 11, 2008, 11:06 PM

Yes, after much reading about Vegnagun and it's capabilities, I've stumbled to the point of deciding if it could be possible for Vegnagun to defeat. Though Sin was the strongest being imaginable, with the ability to destroy a whole city and leave a trail of ruin and destruction with is pass. Sin is impervious to any weapon, as has been proved from time to time. It is also immortal, though its body is destroyed, Yu Yevon is able to summon another Sin by bounding itself to another Final Summoning. This being its greatest strength and also its major weakness, for it depends in another Final Summoning to reborn. Now we have Vegnagun, in theory the strongest and most ancient machina weapon ever built, with a cannon capable of destroying all of Spira. Vegnagun does not depends on anything to exist, yet it depends on someone to control it. Its threatening power comes to the price of not being able to differ from friend or foe, seeing all as enemies. Vegnagun was never used because it was feared that, when Vegnagun fired the cannon, it would also destroy Bevelle and even all of Spira in the process.

It was not built to defeat Sin, it's original purpose was to be used against Zanarkand, but since Zanarkand was destroyed, there was no use to take the risk of unleashing Vegnagun. Now if both creatures were placed face to face, we would have a hard time deciding. Vegnagun's cannon would probably pierce through Sin's armor, shattering it and since Vegnagun is not an aeon, Yu Yevon wouldn't be able to merge with it and thus the chain of death and rebirth would be broken. Still Vegnagun requires to charge it's main cannon, meaning that Sin could attack and possibly prevent the weapon from being fired. Vegnagun's best strategy would be long range combat, but Sin also has a cannon of his own, so it would depend on which one is able to fire the cannon first. But, if both of them were to fire at the same time, now it would only depend on who has the greatest power to push back the energy released by both fiends. In the end, either could win, and both could be destroyed in the process.

Now I would like to know what others think about this topic. If it was discussed already, sorry but I never found the thread

March 16, 2008, 1:32 PM

Well if we cast our minds back to Operation Mi'ihen in FFX, Sin was almost matched by a simpler machina fired by the Al Bhed (the tripod-cannon thingamabob that fired lightning)

If we take this in to consideration and the fact that Vegnagun is the most powerful machina weapon ever built I'd say it's a no contest.

Unless maybe Sin was able to use it's Giga-Graviton attack first, but there's still no certainty that the attack will be able to destroy Vegnagun.

March 17, 2008, 7:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Remnant

Well if we cast our minds back to Operation Mi'ihen in FFX, Sin was almost matched by a simpler machina fired by the Al Bhed (the tripod-cannon thingamabob that fired lightning)

If we take this in to consideration and the fact that Vegnagun is the most powerful machina weapon ever built I'd say it's a no contest.

Unless maybe Sin was able to use it's Giga-Graviton attack first, but there's still no certainty that the attack will be able to destroy Vegnagun.

Yes, because even if Sin does shots "Giga Graviton", there's still a possibility that Vegnagun might endure the attack, and by then Vegnagun's energy cannon would be fully charged and ready to be fired. If that Al Bhed Cannon Prototype was good enough to give Sin a hard time to shield, then Vegnagun's powerful cannon would, without a doubt, pierce through it. It has the ability to destroy all of Spira with that cannon, so destroying Sin with it won't be much trouble.

March 17, 2008, 9:38 PM

personally i think Vegnagun has the most strength overall, yet Sin has the most strength in his one powerful attack. remeber what happened when Sin used the "Giga Graviton" thing. the earth was obliterated. Even the fucking water was moved. Then at the end...everything exploded...the whole planet was affected.

Yet, Vegnagun hasn't been used in about 1000 years. Its rusty so to speak. So its powers are therefore devolved from its old capabilities. In the end, man made vegnagun

Me. i think Sin would win.

March 17, 2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lone_Wolf

remeber what happened when Sin used the "Giga Graviton" thing. the earth was obliterated. Even the fucking water was moved. Then at the end...everything exploded...the whole planet was affected.

You do know Earth is the planet that we live on, right?

Sin was only able to destroy Zanarkand, not the whole of Spira.

Sin may have the power to destroy the whole of Spira in one fell swoop but in this case the war was between Bevelle and Zanarkand, not Bevelle and the rest of Spira, therefore only Zanarkand was destroyed.

March 18, 2008, 8:22 PM

I think one factor that might affect Sin's power is which Sin it actually is. Remember in X the Sin at that time was Jecht, and he had his weaknesses that former Sins would not have had. I'm not sure even Yuna and co would have stood a chance if it hadn't have been for Jecht being partial to the Hymn of the Fayth, which they used to calm him and enter him to destroy him. In fact when you fight Sin I think a lot of his attacks were probably weaker because of Jecht's consciousness.

I think an earlier Sin would have been more of a challenge for Vegnagun.

March 18, 2008, 8:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegnagun

Yes, because even if Sin does shots "Giga Graviton", there's still a possibility that Vegnagun might endure the attack, and by then Vegnagun's energy cannon would be fully charged and ready to be fired. If that Al Bhed Cannon Prototype was good enough to give Sin a hard time to shield, then Vegnagun's powerful cannon would, without a doubt, pierce through it. It has the ability to destroy all of Spira with that cannon, so destroying Sin with it won't be much trouble.

I wouldn't go as far as saying Vegnagun could endure Giga-Graviton. We see the extent of said magic's destructive capability as it decimates the areas it touches literally on contact - baring in mind that Vegnagun, no matter how big its cannon is or gargantuan his stature may be, he's still only nuts, bolts and pieces of metal. As Rikku says: "it's still just a machina".

Granted, both Vegnagun's cannon and Sin's ultimate attack seem to take forever to charge up, but Sin doesn't need to rely on his Graviton magic to deal immense damage.

I strongly believe that Vegnagun would lose essentially all appendages and offensive capabilities during the time it's charging up.

March 18, 2008, 8:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Remnant

You do know Earth is the planet that we live on, right?

Sin was only able to destroy Zanarkand, not the whole of Spira.

Sin may have the power to destroy the whole of Spira in one fell swoop but in this case the war was between Bevelle and Zanarkand, not Bevelle and the rest of Spira, therefore only Zanarkand was destroyed.

I think he might have meant the effect Sin had on Spira during one of the final cutscenes in FFX when the group faced Sin. The scene where they showed an outer space look at what was happening, very "Day After Tomorrow". At least, that's the interpretation I got from him. The preparation of that attack was able to change the weather of the planet in a substantial way.

I don't have too much to say really since I haven't beaten FFX-2. Close though, I'm just anal and refuse to get anything loser than 100%. I suppose what was said earlier about Vegnagun being rusty would be true. I don't see how the most powerful machina ever created would lose to three scrawny girls. I'm playing it through again though, so hopefully I'll win.

March 20, 2008, 5:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Exire

I think he might have meant the effect Sin had on Spira during one of the final cutscenes in FFX when the group faced Sin. The scene where they showed an outer space look at what was happening, very "Day After Tomorrow". At least, that's the interpretation I got from him. The preparation of that attack was able to change the weather of the planet in a substantial way.

I don't have too much to say really since I haven't beaten FFX-2. Close though, I'm just anal and refuse to get anything loser than 100%. I suppose what was said earlier about Vegnagun being rusty would be true. I don't see how the most powerful machina ever created would lose to three scrawny girls. I'm playing it through again though, so hopefully I'll win.

Because the game designers of FFX-2 were amazingly retarded, hence why FFX-2 was the greatest failure of all Final Fantasy games, only matched by Final Fantasy: The Spirit Within.