Rinoa to Ultimecia? - Page 5

April 22, 2007, 9:50 PM

Yeap Gaia B. sounds good but I don't share your 30-40's idea (hahaha), SQUARE could put her another clothe or different hairstyle or a little mention in the Game! (I don't remember if she said something about the witches aging)

And about GRIEVER...boy I should pass, we'll never reach a most logical theory.....

My Character Profiles · April 23, 2007, 9:47 PM

Both opinions on the griever matter make sense.

Either she really is Rinoa using Griever out of inspiration of Squall's ring, or Ultimecia is just a sorceress summoning Griever out of his mind. =]

April 23, 2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Myself at another forum

Is not 100% that Rinoa might be Ultimacia for some reasons. First, Ultimacia is from different timeline than Rinoa, probably more than three thousand years and I doubt that Rinoa could have lived that long. Second, even if Rinoa does have a child with Squall that doesn't necessary means that her powers would be passed to her daughter, the sorceress are chosen at random, dependng on some factors like magical power, links to previous sorceress, and other facts that I don't know right now.

But there is also the possibility to think that Rinoa might be Ultimacia. Sorceress age slowly or maybe they just don't age at all. It may be possible to think that Ultimacia is just a possible representation of Rinoa being consumed by hatred and sadness. Let's say that Squall died at the ending, with both him and Rinoa lost between time. He died because Rinoa couldn't save him and then she began to hate the world and everything related to it because of the sorceress and all that. She got lost on a different timeline, probably a a thousand years into the future away from all her friends. Let's say that after losing Squall, she developed a hatred so great that changed her main reason to live.

But, then again, someone asked the big boys in Japan from Square-Enix about Rinoa being Ultimacia and they answered: "Rinoa is not Ultimacia."

Ohhh I'm tired....follow this link with some info related to Rinoa and Ultimacia, and reach your own
conclusions...
http://www.angelfire.com/games4/fant...rinoaulty.html

I posted this at another forum in which the same discussion was happening.

1. Rinoa is NOT Ultimacia. Why? Even though their faces are quite similar, you can' base your theaory on that because most characters look the same or quite similar, Duh FF Games.

2. Rinoa is NOT Ultimacia. Why? Because Ultimacia is probably a thousand years more older than everyone else from Squall's Timeline.

3. A sorcerress doesn't have to pass their powers voluntarily. Why? Because sorcerress' powers are inherited randomly as long as the choosen subject (randomly again) meets some requirements. First, Ellone could have been a sorcerress and if we think this through a lot of all this SE crap, Ellone could be a sorcerress with the ability to launch people's thoughts through time and space.

4. Ultimacia could read the thoughts of people because, when you fought her, she already possessed a power beyond that of a normal sorcerress plus adding that she was already quite powerful sorcerress.... also remember that Ultimacia was manipulating Seifer therefore she never revealed him her complete plan and also the only one who trully knew the meaning of why the SeeDs were created were both Edea and Cid Kramer, not even Squall knew that. Also, Ultimacia was using Edea's body and she need a moderate amount of energy to sustain here presence inside Edea, therefore she couldn't read people's thoughts or else she might lose control of the subject being controled.

5. The Wings mean nothing. Why? Normally every single sorcerress that was shown through the game had something similar to wings/feathers being used as decorations for their outfits. Edea, Ultimacia, Adel and Rinoa....and the many other sorceress...well the sorcerress 1, 2, and 3 that Ultimacia forces you to fight....meh

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Originally Posted by taken from the article from the link mentioned above...[url

http://www.angelfire.com/games4/fantasyeight/rinoaulty.html][/url]

"Fact 9, the biggest: Now I knew myself knew that I would never believe it unless I saw that Rinoa looked like Ultimecia, and from what i could remember she didnt. However, look at these pictures I have superimposed onto one another."
Reply, the shortest: I could superimpose my face onto Britney Spears, and say we look alike, but it still doesn’t mean we do. And if you look at the picture, the only things that actually…sort of match, are the eyes and mouth. The rest of her, the facial structure and hairline (you don’t gain hair with age) just don’t come even close.
So, Jesse, I hope my friends and I helped you all out. I know coming from a bunch of Square staffers, the answer isn’t going to mean anything, so we called up the big boys in Japan and they said this: “Rinoa is not Ultimecia”.
LOL. How much more simplistic can it get.
As always, thanks for the interest, Jesse. If you have any more questions mail me.

Simple, Rinoa is not Ultimacia because the "Big Guys from Japan" said so

My Character Profiles · April 24, 2007, 1:15 AM

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"Fact 6: Now this is a big indication that it is true: Rinoa 'borrows' Squall's Griever Ring. Yes, she does get Zell to make a copy, but she never gives Squall his back. This is proven at the field when Rinoa says, "I have this dream, I get all dressed up and put on your ring... etc...". Just before you enter Galbadia Garden, you get to name the ring, (The default is Griever). Ultimecia has a GF.......called Griever, (or whatever you name the ring). If you remember, you get Doomtrain out of Solomons Ring. Its possible Greiver is gained from Squall's ring, which Ultimecia would have if she is Rinoa."
Reply: This is more of an issue than Rinoa and Ultimecia being the same person. We weren’t able to come up with a reason for why the two had the same name…HOWEVER, Rinoa did return the ring. Perhaps you and your friends could write an article on this?

Didn't Rinoa offer to return the ring, and then squall says something along the lines of "you hang onto it"?

And this...

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I hope my friends and I helped you all out. I know coming from a bunch of Square staffers, the answer isn’t going to mean anything, so we called up the big boys in Japan and they said this: “Rinoa is not Ultimecia”.
LOL. How much more simplistic can it get.

Is making me speculate.
How proffesional is this person anyway? Do real square staffers talk like that and leak secrets that may ruin the fanbase's appreciation of the game?

I know if FFVII's biggest secrets were released, the person in charge may have lost their job or something for christ's sake! O.o
It totally ruins the romanticism...

April 24, 2007, 8:44 AM

another way rinoa loves squall ultimecia hates him even if they were related like ultimecia is rinoa's great repeated granddaughter there would still be no relation, and put it this way if that bitch adel hadnt been looking for a successor none of that would have happened think about it

April 25, 2007, 11:19 AM

althought SQUARE said Rinoa is NOT Ultimecia, most of the people think Rinoa IS Ultimecia.
There exists comics and movies (for example, STAR WARS) that gets "out of control" and make its own sense and story, despite of the directors and the creators.
FINAL FANTASY VIII is an example of that. SQUARE can say anything they want, people will still believe what they think.

And that's the truly FINAL FANTASY. The indefinited thought of the story, the secrets, the possibilities. That's the MAGIC of the story.

BOOGER i'm with you!

(I love your art in DeviantArt.com, I love "Leaf"!)

April 26, 2007, 12:37 AM

Sorry if this will be considered as SPAM but I have to say it due to the fact that Square Enix Staffers seem quite lazy to give a more believable answer:
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"Sometimes I really hate Square Enix"

April 26, 2007, 3:24 AM

so ppl r saying she was so consumed that she didnt recognize him?
although what shes says during the final battle is interesting.....
ill post it tommorw cuz im going to bed

April 27, 2007, 3:37 PM

I don't think she is Rinoa,
but it would have made it a little more interesting...