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| Final Fantasy VII The first installment of the series to be originally released for the Playstation, also the first one to be released with 3D movement and graphics. |
March 28, 2008, 8:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Julius Argexis
I believe I stated my opinion wrongly. What I meant is, if we were to take all Battle System mechanics, storyline, and all the factors that force Cloud to win, always, and have them fight as if they never met each other, both fighting seriously, Sephiroth would win. But if we add all the elements of VII, Cloud will keep winning against anyone regardless of what is done.
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Agreed if Sephiroth really wanted he could probably destroy the world and end everything right there, but this is not about Sephiroth and Cloud streght it's about Cloud and Zack's power.
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March 28, 2008, 8:52 PM
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Yes, but if we consider that Zack took on Genesis, alone, and defeated him even if Genesis was a 1st Class Soldier and with a power similar to Sephiroth, then we see that Cloud is just being lucky. Zack was ambushed by a group of soldiers, and not even with the best sword skills could Zack get out of that situation, alive.
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March 28, 2008, 8:52 PM
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Jimmy, avoid double-posting in future.
Posts merged.
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March 28, 2008, 8:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Julius Argexis
Yes, but if we consider that Zack took on Genesis, alone, and defeated him even if Genesis was a 1st Class Soldier and with a power similar to Sephiroth, then we see that Cloud is just being lucky. Zack was ambushed by a group of soldiers, and not even with the best sword skills could Zack get out of that situation, alive.
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That as all been said before, Genesis was indeed a 1st Class Soldier but not with a power similar to Sephiroth, nobody as a power similar to Sephiroth, if Genesis was similar to Sephiroth, Zack would have lost to Genesis not won.
And sorry FFVII for the double post, i got carried away again with my speech 
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March 28, 2008, 9:01 PM
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The only thing that makes Cloud special is that he is the hero of FFVII storyline. No matter how much we debate, each time Square Enix makes a FFVII sequel and haves Cloud fighting Sephiroth, Cloud will always win or else Sephiroth would end up destroying everything.
It is like Goku and Freeza, or Gohan and Cell, or Harry Potter and Voldemort (at least Voldemort pawned Harry a few times before being defeated once and for all).
I believe that, what ruined FFVII storyline a little was the fact of making Cloud the ultimate fighter of that storyline. Not even Vincent could beat Cloud, regardless of having Chaos or not, because the story is not meant to make Cloud lose.
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March 28, 2008, 9:03 PM
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That as all been said before, Genesis was indeed a 1st Class Soldier but not with a power similar to Sephiroth, nobody as a power similar to Sephiroth, if Genesis was similar to Sephiroth, Zack would have lost to Genesis not won.
And sorry FFVII for the double post, i got carried away again with my speech |
k noone read my post
also - i haven't read all of the forum but i don' know if the point has been mentioned but developers state in the ultimania
Genesis = Sephiroth in terms of power
Zack is able to defeat Genesis and gives Sephiroth (who is pissed and wants Zack dead in as short time as possible - i.e he used 100% power) a good battle in which he is able to hold his own
Sephiroth in the Cloud match was overly arrogant and used a fraction of his ability and therefore lost - this being when cloud was with his numerous teammates - he also uses swordplay only aside for one instance in which the attack is not even directed att cloud
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March 28, 2008, 9:05 PM
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It wasn't Goku who killed Freeza it was Trunks.
But that's besides the point lol, i agree that they could have done more with the ending of FFVII AC, they could have actually made Vincent or someone go and help Cloud fight Sephiroth instead of looking from the Highwind like a bunch of retards. But nonetheless it was the ending we got.
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March 28, 2008, 9:14 PM
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It wasn't Goku who killed Freeza it was Trunks. |
Not relevant, and besides Trunks was already more powerful than Goku the first time he fought Freeza. But if you insist, it is like Goku and Omega Shenron. Goku has his "Spirit Bomb", Cloud has his "Omnislash".
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But that's besides the point lol, i agree that they could have done more with the ending of FFVII AC, they could have actually made Vincent or someone go and help Cloud fight Sephiroth instead of looking from the Highwind like a bunch of retards. But nonetheless it was the ending we got.
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I concur, besides, we've been witnessing the downfall of old games due to some of Square Enix's idiocy. If they ever remake AC, which I doubt, it would be cool to see Cloud and Vincent teaming against the three "Remnants" of Jenova (Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz), and then having them defeating Sephiroth, dealing the final blow with their combined finishers 
I guess that's too much to ask...
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March 28, 2008, 9:16 PM
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Although intriguing, this thread is somewhat derailing from the intended question.
Please keep to the main topic.
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