Final Fantasy Forums

Welcome to Final Fantasy Forums, a community where you can discuss your love for all things Final Fantasy. Just go ahead and register for a free account. Community features:
  • The Shoutbox chat system
  • Free arcade
  • An active RPG system powered by Inferno (members may join after 50 posts)
  • Over 15,000 threads and 300,000 posts, and thousands of visitors each day
Go ahead and sign up today. After signing up, you can introduce yourself in the introductions forum.
  
Go Back   Final Fantasy Forums > Final Fantasy > Final Fantasy VII
Reload this Page Just want to clarify something...
 
Final Fantasy VII The first installment of the series to be originally released for the Playstation, also the first one to be released with 3D movement and graphics.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Just want to clarify something...
Old June 11, 2007, 6:05 PM   #1
Chocobo Breeder
one_winged_god is on a distinguished road
 
one_winged_god's Avatar
Class: Junior Member
Level: 0
HP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
MP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
EXP: 0
/100 (0%) /100 (0%)
 
Join Date: June 2007
Location: Zanarkand Ruins
Age: 18
Posts: 10
Threads: 4
Gil: 0
Member No.: 6106
Rep Power: 0
Just want to clarify something...

the Sephiroth that's walking around, showing Cloud and company the flashbacks and everything...that's his spirit, right? and the real sephiroth was defeated by zack, encased in some materia, then somehow made it to the northern crater?

I think I have it all right...it's just bugging at the back of my head, so I just want someone to clarify it.
Scan one_winged_god one_winged_god is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote Go to the top of the page
  
Old June 11, 2007, 6:36 PM   #2
Lurid Male 
Something kind of 'ooh'
Lurid has a spectacular aura about
 
Lurid's Avatar
Class: Veteran Member
Level: 37
HP: 520/520
520/520 (100%) 520/520 (100%) 520/520 (100%)
MP: 200/200
200/200 (100%) 200/200 (100%) 200/200 (100%)
EXP: 85
85/100 (85%) 85/100 (85%)
 
Join Date: July 2006
Location: North Wales
Age: 20
Posts: 2,852
Threads: 39
Gil: 4,181
Member No.: 327
Rep Power: 6
The Sephiroth we see is not him, no. Each 'Sephiroth' has a part of Jenova with him, and considering even the smallest of particles is technically Jenova, she manipulates things around her, and bends it to her will. The body of clones to create a replica of Sephiroth, for example.

Sephiroth was not defeated by Zack. We see that Cloud is the person who impales Sephiroth and hurls him into the Mako Reactor. He was then transported towards the Northern Crater, and there he resided within a tomb of Lifestream energy.
__________________

The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves: “You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I’m just not close enough to get the job done.”
- George Carlin
Scan Lurid Lurid is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote Go to the top of the page
  
Old June 11, 2007, 7:04 PM   #3
Chocobo Breeder
one_winged_god is on a distinguished road
 
one_winged_god's Avatar
Class: Junior Member
Level: 0
HP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
MP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
EXP: 0
/100 (0%) /100 (0%)
 
Join Date: June 2007
Location: Zanarkand Ruins
Age: 18
Posts: 10
Threads: 4
Gil: 0
Member No.: 6106
Rep Power: 0
ah. thanks.
Scan one_winged_god one_winged_god is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote Go to the top of the page
  
Old June 11, 2007, 10:02 PM   #4
Ex-Soldier
The Crystal is on a distinguished road
Class: Member
Level: 0
HP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
MP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
EXP: 0
/100 (0%) /100 (0%)
 
Join Date: February 2007
Posts: 90
Threads: 9
Gil: 0
Member No.: 4282
Rep Power: 2
The Sephiroth you chase in the first half of the game, is Jenova's body shapeshifting in his appaerance. The clones are people from Nibelheim that cannot shapeshift. This is well explained in the official book released by Square-Enix.

And yes, the Sephiroth that show the flashbacks/illusions in the Northern Crater, is his spirit.

Last edited by The Crystal : June 11, 2007 at 10:04 PM.
Scan The Crystal The Crystal is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote Go to the top of the page
  
Old June 12, 2007, 3:04 AM   #5
Blue Mage
Ryker is on a distinguished road
 
Ryker's Avatar
Class: Full Member
Level: 0
HP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
MP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
EXP: 0
/100 (0%) /100 (0%)
 
Join Date: April 2007
Posts: 126
Threads: 4
Gil: 0
Member No.: 5407
Rep Power: 2
Here's an interesting idea: Why did Sephiroth want Cloud to remember everything? What purpose did it serve for Sephiroth? Or for Jenova?
Scan Ryker Ryker is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote Go to the top of the page
  
Old June 12, 2007, 3:11 AM   #6
Howl  
Co___okies!!!
Howl is an unknown quantity at this point
 
Howl's Avatar
Class: Veteran Member
Level: 0
HP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
MP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
EXP: 0
/100 (0%) /100 (0%)
 
Join Date: January 2007
Posts: 3,027
Threads: 121
Gil: 0
Member No.: 3861
My Mood:
Rep Power: 0
Supposedly, the Sephiroth that you see walking around is either:
A) A clone
or
B) A manifestation of Sephiroth created by the real Sephiroth with the use of Jenova's cells


I choose option B; a manifestation with Jenova's cells.
My reason for choosing option B is that Jenova is capable reinacting people's memories, or manipulating people into believing certain things...just as the Sephiroth that you follow does throughout the game.


The real Sephiroth was never defeated. He either:
A) Jumped into the mako reactor while fighting Cloud
or
B) Was thrown into the mako reactor while fighting Cloud

(Either theory can be argued with evidence from both FFVII and Last Order.)
The point is that...the real Sephiroth traveled through the mako (aka the lifestream) alllll the way to the Northern Crater (where you see him encased in crystalized mako at the beginning of disc two).
Scan Howl Howl is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote Go to the top of the page
  
Old June 12, 2007, 3:13 AM   #7
Chocobo Breeder
one_winged_god is on a distinguished road
 
one_winged_god's Avatar
Class: Junior Member
Level: 0
HP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
MP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
EXP: 0
/100 (0%) /100 (0%)
 
Join Date: June 2007
Location: Zanarkand Ruins
Age: 18
Posts: 10
Threads: 4
Gil: 0
Member No.: 6106
Rep Power: 0
I think because cloud was the only survivor of the last mako infusions (down in nibelheim mansion's basement), or the like; my memory of it all is sorta fuzzy. I remember something like zack and cloud were in the lab, in the mako chambers...and it had something to do with sephiroth and/or jenova. I dunno. like I said, my memory is cloudy, since it's been so long since I've actually played it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nephany View Post
The point is that...the real Sephiroth traveled through the mako (aka the lifestream) alllll the way to the Northern Crater (where you see him encased in crystalized mako at the beginning of disc two).
that's what I thought. it struck me as odd at first, but then it became a bit clearer.

Last edited by one_winged_god : June 12, 2007 at 3:15 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Scan one_winged_god one_winged_god is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote Go to the top of the page
  
Old June 12, 2007, 3:20 AM   #8
Howl  
Co___okies!!!
Howl is an unknown quantity at this point
 
Howl's Avatar
Class: Veteran Member
Level: 0
HP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
MP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
EXP: 0
/100 (0%) /100 (0%)
 
Join Date: January 2007
Posts: 3,027
Threads: 121
Gil: 0
Member No.: 3861
My Mood:
Rep Power: 0
If you watched Last Order, it would make more sense.

(Last Order can be seen here
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jKYZI8GjqJQ

Basically...after Nibelhiem was burnt to the ground, Cloud and Zack and the rest of the survivors were taken in by Hojo and had experiments done on their bodies. (Vincent was also experimented on by Hojo years earlier.)

They were placed in those glowing tubes as a means of infusing their bodies with Jenova Cells. Zack's body rejected the Jenova Cells, and Cloud's body didn't. As a result, Cloud was let's say...comatose.

Since Zack was not affected by the cell infusion, he broke free and carried Cloud all the way to Midgar, where blah blah blah he died.
Scan Howl Howl is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote Go to the top of the page
  
Old July 3, 2007, 1:23 AM   #9
Ex-Soldier
Mastergib314 is on a distinguished road
 
Mastergib314's Avatar
Class: Member
Level: 0
HP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
MP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
EXP: 0
/100 (0%) /100 (0%)
 
Join Date: June 2007
Location: C. Square
Posts: 50
Threads: 2
Gil: 0
Member No.: 6246
Rep Power: 2
this does free up a few tings for me

thanks everyone!
Scan Mastergib314 Mastergib314 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote Go to the top of the page
  
Old July 27, 2007, 10:46 PM   #10
Chocobo Breeder
one_winged_god is on a distinguished road
 
one_winged_god's Avatar
Class: Junior Member
Level: 0
HP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
MP: 0/0
/ (0%) / (0%)
EXP: 0
/100 (0%) /100 (0%)
 
Join Date: June 2007
Location: Zanarkand Ruins
Age: 18
Posts: 10
Threads: 4
Gil: 0
Member No.: 6106
Rep Power: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
If you watched Last Order, it would make more sense.
I did after you posted, and it cleared a lot of stuff up. thanks!
Scan one_winged_god one_winged_god is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote Go to the top of the page
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes