AVALANCHE members selfish?

August 22, 2007, 3:44 AM

So its occured to me recently that in AVALANCHE perhaps only three members - Tifa, Aerith and Nanaki - joined it for non-selfish reasons, while the others all joined it for selfish reasons -

Cloud - Joins because he needs money, and he has a score to settle with Sephiroth.
Barret - Pissed with Shinra for destroying Corel
Cait Sith - Spy
Cid - Pissed with Shinra for cancelling his space program
Vincent - Personal issues with Hojo
Yuffie - She wants to steal the materia.

while the reasons the others join -

Tifa - She wants to save the planet
Aerith - She wants to save the planet / find out more about the ancients
Nanaki - He wants to save the planet / fufil the wishes of his grandfather.

which characters motivations do you think are stronger? Can you think of anymore reasons why they joined AVALANCHE / expand on my reasons?

August 22, 2007, 3:50 AM

Did they really consider themselves AVALANCHE after the Sector 7 Slums was destroyed? Remember when the party went to the Shinra building to save Aerith and Rufus stopped them. He asked them who do they think they were, and only two of them (Barret and Tifa) replied, "I'm in AVALANCHE". Cloud replied, "Ex-SOLDIER, First class..." and Aerith replied something I can't remember, it wasn't saying anything about AVALANCHE though.

August 22, 2007, 3:57 AM

Yes they did consider themselves members of AVALANCHE - because outside of Midgar they say that they need a leader and Clouds elected, and in Cosmo Canyon you see Barret go "AVALANCHE IS REBORN!" it was their name for the party.

My Character Profiles · August 22, 2007, 3:59 AM

I wouldn't say that Yuffie joined for the sole purpose of stealing materia. In fact...there's a lot more to it than that. I think she belongs in that second group. Yuffie only wants materia so she can use it to protect/bring peace back to Wutai.

August 22, 2007, 4:05 AM

Yes there are two dimensions to Yuffie. You can say she was selfish because she only wanted to join AVALANCHE to get the materia, however her desire to get the materia wasn't selfish - she wanted it to make her hometown strong again.

I think Yuffies intentions weren't selfish, but her actions were.

August 22, 2007, 5:48 AM

Every member of Avalanche had selfish motives. Some were just less (or far less) selfish than others.

Aeris' motive was the least selfish, wanting to truly save the planet and everyone on it. She also did it to find out more about the ancients, herself, and her mother and whatnot, which we've already established. But that is still a selfish motive.

Same thing with Nanaki. He did want to save the planet, but (especially in the beginning), went along to see the world, especially while having people to travel with. Obviously a selfish motive.

Tifa? Please, once again, especially in the beginning, she goes along because she wants to be with Cloud, and because she wants to help him and support him. Both due to her loving him, and because of the guilt she feels.

The rest you mentioned are pretty much it.

August 22, 2007, 9:14 AM

What do you mean selfish reasons!?

Cloud joined Avalanche because he wanted money which is fine you have to make a living somehow.

Tifa i don´t know why she joined and the others aren´t real members of Avalanche.

But if you say Aeris joined Avalanche for no selfish reasons like i expected...then let me tell you why she joined. She joined because if she did not tag along with Cloud she would have been captured by the Shinra so she joined so she could hav protection.

Plus at the end of the Midgar segment they have no idea that they have to safe the planet, Cloud just decides to go after Sephiroth and the others join him.

August 22, 2007, 9:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy

What do you mean selfish reasons!?

Cloud joined Avalanche because he wanted money which is fine you have to make a living somehow.

You misunderstand, Cloud needs money to live and all but is that his sole incentive to join AVALANCHE? Does he care about the planet? No. All he wants is the money.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy

Tifa i don´t know why she joined and the others aren´t real members of Avalanche.

Of course the others are real members of AVALANCHE, Barret was its leader.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy

But if you say Aeris joined Avalanche for no selfish reasons like i expected...then let me tell you why she joined. She joined because if she did not tag along with Cloud she would have been captured by the Shinra so she joined so she could hav protection.

Wrong again, Aerith grew up for years in the slums without being captured, the only reason she got captured was in exchange for Marlene's safety.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy

Plus at the end of the Midgar segment they have no idea that they have to safe the planet, Cloud just decides to go after Sephiroth and the others join him.

They were trying to save the planet from the beginning of the game, hence the blowing up of the Mako reactors. And they know Sephiroths going to try and destroy the world because at the top of the Shinra building Cloud says "this is the real crises for the planet"

August 22, 2007, 9:49 AM

Here we go again, the Shinra did not capture Aeris when she was younger because they did not want too, they could have captured her whenever they wanted, Aeris was just a girl while the Shinra had the top elite spionage, kidnapping group the TURKS i´m sure that catching a little girl would be the easiest thing they ever did in their profissional careers.

Plus Aeris was in Midgar which is controled by the Shinra so they got her precisely where they wanted.

And Cloud said "this is the real crisis of the planet" because he knew how powerful and evil Sephiroth was not because he knew he was thinking of destroying the world.

And Aeris did join the Avalance in order to protect herself from Shinra and keep having Cloud as her bodyguard so she did it for protection, she never knew she had to safe the world at that moment.