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Old June 25, 2008, 9:55 PM   #181
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I still somewhat doubt Cloud would keep up with Vincent.
Even if Omnislash did hit Vincent he'd just turn into Chaos and whoop Cloud. Sorry Cloud fans but Vincent would win anyday.
He's just too quick. Cloud has got the strength I must say.. and people argue "Cloud has killed Sephiroth how many times? and Vincent? Oh yeh.. None." but us Vincent fans could simply reply... "Vincent has killed Omega and let me remind you... it was going to destroy the world how many times has Cloud done this?"

But being fair, I've looked back on it and I've come to a conclusion that Cloud and Vincent would be around the same and probably most likely end up in a draw/tie.
Being a Cloud fan aswell as a Vincent fan myself.

I'm going to leave it at that simply, even though there is so much to add.

- Vincent & Cloud.
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Old July 4, 2008, 12:27 AM   #182
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vincent is the best ff7 hero, 2nd to seph as the best character in ff7
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Old July 4, 2008, 2:29 AM   #183
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Why does Vincent get chaos form? >.>

May as well make Cloud still a grunt while we're at it.
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Old July 4, 2008, 5:36 AM   #184
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Vincent gets his Chaos Form for the same reason Cloud gets his Mako and JENOVA Cell enhancements; it's a part of him. Besides, the way versus topics generally work is that we take both characters in their strongest incarnations and pit them against one another in a one-on-one duel that is biased against neither one in-particular. I'm not sure why it'd be fair to take Chaos away from Vincent, considering it's a power that he can call upon at any given moment. Yes, Chaos is a separate entity from Vincent, but that doesn't change the fact that his power was at Vincent's disposal so long as he had the Protomateria on him. If we take Chaos away from Vincent, we might as well take away the Mako and JENOVA Cells from Cloud, meaning it would be a ShinRa MP with a huge sword against Vincent, who was still superhuman due to Hojo's experiments. Of course, even if we take those away, Vincent is still a highly trained Turk who probably has a great deal of combat experience, even if that wasn't what the Turks were specifically trained for.

In other words, whether we take both of them in their weakest forms or both of them in their strongest forms, Vincent wins. If we take AC Cloud and put him against Base Vincent (or any form of Vincent without an Awakened Chaos at his disposal), it'd be a much better fight that I wager Cloud would come out of as the victor. However, other than that, the only way Cloud could win is if we gave him an unfair handicap, such as leaving him with all of his enhancements but taking away Vincent's, or leaving Cloud untouched but stripping Vincent of Chaos.
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Old July 4, 2008, 6:41 AM   #185
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Well sense vincent is technicly inmortal ..... i think he wins haha
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And yet we only see chaos vincent as a limit break in FF7, and at the end of DoC.

If Vincent is always Chaos, then we may as well say Cloud can do an Omni-Slash all the time, when even AC showed that he can't.
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Old July 5, 2008, 10:40 PM   #187
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Yeah, except that DoC showed that Vincent is, with the Protomateria, more than capable of controling Chaos. That means that Vincent can call on Chaos whenever he wants, at any given moment. We even see him turn into Chaos Vincent at a time where he's not in any sort of combat situation. Cloud, however, has never been shown to use Omnislash under normal circumstances. He needs to be in a pretty extreme situation, such as a one-on-one duel against Sephiroth, and even then, it took him literally hours to charge up the neccessary spirit energy to use the attack. This, remember, was in Advent Children, so we now know for a fact that, as far as storyline is concerned, Cloud's Limit Breaks take significant time to use, with the possible exceptions of low-level techniques like Braver or Blade Beam, which are either pretty close to normal attacks (Braver just involves Cloud leaping into the air and swinging down with his sword REALLY hard, so...) or somewhat basic (Blade Beam is a beam...shot from Cloud's blade. Doesn't sound too complicated). However, Vincent can call upon Chaos whenever he wants.
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Then why does Vincent not use Chaos at all times? The protomateria is just another enhancement, and a base Vincent from FF7 along with a base Cloud, or even DoC Vincent with no Protomateria and AC Cloud is a much more balanced fight.
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Yeah, but it isn't really a matter of balance, it's a matter of taking both characters at their strongest incarnations and pitting them against each other in a neutral, one-on-one battle. If we had to attempt to make the fight balanced by giving one character a handicap, it wouldn't really be much of a versus topic. The Protomateria is a piece of equipment that's pretty much exclusive to Vincent, as is Chaos. It's no different than Cloud carrying a sword, which is also a piece of equipment. By your logic, both characters should be going at it in hand-to-hand combat, stripped of all their enhancements and equipment. Furthermore, Vincent doesn't use Chaos all the time because I don't think he actually acquired the Protomateria until around the end of the game. After that, he used Chaos whenever he needed it. Chaos is a legitimate skill of Vincent's, and the Protomateria is something he has at his disposal.

Yes, Vincent without an Awakened Chaos would probably be a fairer match for Cloud, but that's really not the point of a Versus Topic. The idea is taking both characters at their strongest and putting them against one another. If it was specified that we were putting FF7 Cloud against FF7 Vincent, then I'd be able to see your point, but it simply says...well, Vincent vs. Cloud, so whatever either of them have available is fair game in this topic. I know that Cloud would probably defeat Vincent if we take Chaos or even just Awakened Chaos out of the equation. However, there's really no logical reason to not take Chaos Vincent into consideration.
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Yeah, but it isn't really a matter of balance, it's a matter of taking both characters at their strongest incarnations and pitting them against each other in a neutral, one-on-one battle. If we had to attempt to make the fight balanced by giving one character a handicap, it wouldn't really be much of a versus topic. The Protomateria is a piece of equipment that's pretty much exclusive to Vincent, as is Chaos. It's no different than Cloud carrying a sword, which is also a piece of equipment. By your logic, both characters should be going at it in hand-to-hand combat, stripped of all their enhancements and equipment. Furthermore, Vincent doesn't use Chaos all the time because I don't think he actually acquired the Protomateria until around the end of the game. After that, he used Chaos whenever he needed it. Chaos is a legitimate skill of Vincent's, and the Protomateria is something he has at his disposal.

Yes, Vincent without an Awakened Chaos would probably be a fairer match for Cloud, but that's really not the point of a Versus Topic. The idea is taking both characters at their strongest and putting them against one another. If it was specified that we were putting FF7 Cloud against FF7 Vincent, then I'd be able to see your point, but it simply says...well, Vincent vs. Cloud, so whatever either of them have available is fair game in this topic. I know that Cloud would probably defeat Vincent if we take Chaos or even just Awakened Chaos out of the equation. However, there's really no logical reason to not take Chaos Vincent into consideration.
Then we may as well say that Cloud is level 99 with all Materia mastered, when one could assume AC Cloud is about equal to level 50 FF7 Cloud. The protomateria is just another power up for Vincent, whether or not we see it in the plot.
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