Wow, after reading all of your point I have a lot more faith in Vincent. I didn't think DoC Chaos counted but it does tip the balance in my guy's favour. Thanks Oathkeeper!!!

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Um...they're all very valid points. You gotta consider the fact that Cloud nearly defeated himself by shrivelling up partway through FF7, and needed the help of others to come out of his...unusual coma-style thing...

Vincent was in a similar position, you could say. Though he didn't put himself there.

Overall, in a fight, if SE directed it, Cloud would win, unless it wasn't a real fight, in which case Vincent would win, spouting nonsense about how Cloud needs to get stronger, or stop doubting himself. Some rubbish like that anyway.

Directed by a neutral person, it would easily start by going in Cloud's favour, switch to going in Vincent's favour, but ultimately, due to main character syndrome, which still affects them even under the influence of new directors, Cloud's Omnislash would somehow manage to win.

Personally, I think Vincent is the better character and fighter. But SE clearly disagrees...

Actually, Vincent Crescent, even though Cloud pretty much has to survive any fight he gets into due to main character syndrome, there's no guarentee that it'll mean he's actually stronger than the person he's fighting. For example, look at the Bahamut SIN battle from Advent Children. Though Cloud dealt the finishing blow, it ultimately took all of Crisis AVALANCHE to take the thing down. Hell, what about the WEAPONS in FFVII itself? There's no way Cloud could've taken down Ultima Weapon by himself. However, through the combined effort of his party, they eventually managed to beat it. In no way does this mean that Cloud>Ultima WEAPON...at least not going solo.

The best example of this is definitely the Sephiroth battle in AC. Anyone who: a) Is not a fanboy and b) Has an IQ exceeding 65 knows that Sephiroth is vastly superior to Cloud. Yet Cloud still beat him because Sephiroth is an arrogant douchebag who can't learn from past mistakes. Although he surpassed Cloud in virtually every aspect of combat and, under ordinarily circumstances, would have curbstomped him, Sephiroth still lost because he has a weakness that Cloud can exploit every single time the two of them fight. Who's to say that a significant personality flaw wouldn't hurt Vincent's chances of winning? Maybe he wouldn't be willing to go all-out against Cloud or would be hesitant to use Chaos against a friend.

That aside, you really shouldn't take main character syndrome into account when it comes to Versus Topics. That sort of thing isn't supposed to apply here. What we should be analyzing is the skill and overall capabilities of the two fighters involved, not which character the director would favor. Such variables should be ignored in this sort of situation because we're not factoring in the personalities of the director. We're just looking at the two characters in an objective light in order to draw a reasonably logical conclusion.

In simpler terms...Vincent are winnar! Woo!

I would probably say Vincent. Really Cloud isn't all that powerful in terms of raw power it's his fighting skills and friends that are his strength. Where it comes down to individual power though I'd say Vince's limitbreaks (such as Chaos) would win it for him.

I think I sorta messed up what I was saying.

Basically, I have no idea what power Cloud's Omnislash is supposed to have. I mean, in the game, it wasn't that strong (pretty strong, but not overwhelming), much like how Vincent's limit breaks were pretty strong, but not overwhelming. Thus, it would be a pretty decent fight, but Vincent would win based on the original game.

If you take into account the spin-off's, it could go either way. Omnislash was like...instant kill on Sephiroth. Clearly, that has to be pretty amazing. Then you take into account Vincent's Chaos form, and it sort of goes a bit confusing. Would Omnislash instant-kill or would Chaos form rule supreme?

Honestly, I have no idea. SE would do it terribly, and personally, I'd want Vincent to win just because I prefered his character to Cloud's, not for any outstanding reason.

(I can't say too much on DoC, I haven't played it properly)

Ordinarily, Omnislash would definitely serve as a useful ace in the hole for Cloud. However, you have to remember that he needs to be fighting a significant amount of time before using it. He has to build up incredible amounts of sheer rage, in other words, which is probably why he only used it against Sephiroth in Advent Children. It isn't an attack he can pull out at the beginning of the battle to end things quickly. Cloud has always been a crutch fighter who has a habit of pulling ahead at the end of a fight. It's only natural that he have a technique that he can use as a last resort. But that's just it. Cloud can pretty much ONLY use the Omnislash at the very end of the fight.

Meanwhile, Vincent can activate Chaos at any given moment. And once Chaos is out, I can pretty much guarentee that Cloud wouldn't last more than a few seconds (assuming he fights seriously, of course). Chaos moves too fast for Cloud to see, let alone mount a defense against, and is obviously strong enough to hold his own against the likes of Weiss in close-combat. CV wouldn't give Cloud any time to build up the rage neccessary to perform Omnislash because he would just end the fight in a matter of seconds. Even assuming Cloud's "Limit Bar" (used proverbially to represent his emotions) fills up particularly fast, he still just wouldn't have enough time to build up an Omnislash.

I mean, depsite Cloud's incredible reflexes, even he couldn't stop an attack that he can't see coming. Vincent could simply warp past him and slaughter him before he can mount a defense, or even warp behind him and tear him to shreds with one of those energy blasts of his. Though Square-Enix probably would handle it terribly, that's irrelevent here. Cloud's main character syndrome really shouldn't come into play in a versus topic.

Has everyone forgotten that Vincent killed Omegaweapon yet? I mean he nailed a being more powerful (or just as powerful) than Sephiroth. I would think it would be a close fight at first but a combination of clouds lack of special abilities (other than Omnislash) would probably mean that Vincents limitbreaks would be rather effective. Afterall Vincent can limitbreak at almost any time whilst Cloud seems to have to take his time alot more.

As for the Gun vs Sword argument, in FF swords are many times better as most of the characters as fast enough to block bullets with them.

What will save Cloud at first will be his exceptional sword skills but it wont last for long when Chaos coems out to play.

even if Vincent WAS going to turn into chaos, Cloud would freeze him with cross-slash then OBLITERATE HIM WITH METEORAIN!!! MWAAAHAAHAhahh..

1. Chaos Vincent can easily avoid Cross Slash.

2. Chaos Vincent can easily avoid Meteorain.

3. Chaos Vincent can easily slaughter Cloud before he can even use any of those attacks.