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<o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p>I would be happy to debate Intel vs. AMD Fact with you all day long, but only on a mature level. DO NOT! Try to insult me ever again.
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OK, agreed - so long as you don't try to make anymore authoritative statements about things that you don't know about. (which it appears you have done in your reply) I am only calling you on your claims.<o:p></o:p>
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What’s that supposed to prove? You decided to buy a higher-end, more expensive version of the AMD chip. Also, yes it is a sad fact that most of the time; you DO have to buy double the AMD chips, to equal one Intel configured chip.
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That's not true, at all. If it were, they would be out of business. Remember, AMD is the sole competitor against INTEL chipsets.
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Again, what does this prove? Sounds like you have 2.5X more equipment in the AMD units then you do in you single Intel system.
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No, it doesn't...
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When I answered BladeWarrior’s original question, it was in response to a question based on a DESKTOP PROCESSOR, not a SERVER BASED PROCESSOR which you’re trying to compare. An Intel Xeon processor is meant for a server platform and is rarely found in a home end user’s PC, unless they custom built it that way.
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Then you know how server processors relate to PC processors, right? No explanation necessary, I assume. And you must know that there are performance parallels between the consumer grade and server grade processors, right?
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<o:p></o:p><!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><!--[endif]-->And again, there’s no comparison to your argument here, since your Opteron is a SERVER BASED PROCESSOR not a DESKTOP PROCESSOR. It was designed to handle error correction, hence no memory errors or blue screens of death (hardware errors). Also, since your running a SERVER BASED PROCESSOR, you’ll have to use ERROR CORRECTING SERVER MEMORY. Again, way to expensive and impractical for your common desktop PC.
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Yes, my "error correcting software" is called Windows XP x64 edition.
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I’m not sure where you got that information, but you’re terribly wrong. ALL computers have an FSB (Front Side Bus), even AMD PROCESSORS/SYSTEMS! The front side bus is the measurement of data in bits which is measured in MHz. It is very critical that the Processor’s FSB, the RAM’s FSB (Random Access Memory) and the Motherboards FSB all match for any computer to function properly.
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Now see, this is why I engaged you in the first place. Instead of *asking* me where I got my information, you have basically called me a dumbass, and explained basic computing theory to me.
I'll save my fingers, and just ask you to do a Google search for "direct connect architecture". Please feel free to post the results of your findings.
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How do I say Intel handles memory addressing better? It’s very easy and the facts speak for themselves. Look at any Intel vs. AMD bench mark (An official Bench Mark, NOT some AMD or Intel Fanboy’s Bench Mark). You’ll see that the Intel chips are slightly faster to much faster than their AMD counter parts. This is because an Intel DESKTOP PROCESSOR handles error correction and memory addressing a whole lot better, thus resulting in faster data cycles per second, millisecond, etc…
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Please post those benchmarks. I can only find one Intel benchmark that trumps AMD for memory addressing. And for 64-bit, it seems that the awards still go to AMD. But I don't care if Intel *is* a better processor. It isn't always better at all things, to be sure. (which is why I own both types, for very specific tasks) My argument is not about which is better - just about living in a world of facts, not opinions or rash statements.
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I’ve got news for you, READ your warranty agreement that came with your processor, which I wouldn’t be surprised if someone like you threw it away without reading it. You’ll see that the PROCESSORS HEAT SINK and FAN are classed as WEAR AND TEAR parts, MEANING its YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to make sure that are WORKING FULLY or IT WILL NULL and VOID YOUR WARRANTY! It’s just like the oil in your cars engine. While your car is under the manufactures warranty, you must have documented proof of all scheduled OIL CHANGES should you engine blow and the mechanic needs to file warranty claim.
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Yes, I won't argue this. In fact, that was the point that I was making, if you keep reading. I have already had to change a SET of cooling fans in one of my macines. Not that this is altogether common in today's hardware...
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Again, that’s incorrect. If your processor burns up, your computer will freeze, or if you invested enough money on a decent Power Supply, it will immediately cut off power to the computer.
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Umm... No, it's not... I was incorrect when I told you that I did not see a blue screen of death on my AMD machine. I actually saw it once when I did not have one of my case fans plugged in. The processor oveheated, and the blue screen told me so.
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Wrong again. A dead CPU fan with the heat sink still attached will give you minutes, but most of the time this will only cause performance issues with freezing on Intel systems and complete burn out in minutes on an AMD systems. Now, if the heat sink and fan are intentional removed while the PC is in use, then (“really”) its more like 2 or 3 seconds.
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That video didn't prove your point.
How does a fansink not under power provide more life than a processor open to the air? (note - it will, but marginally) Mind you, the short failure is AMD only, so I should be happily proving your point.
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Again, INSULTING me and calling me a SLOB is uncalled for.
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That's very immature. The "you" was an open ended statement aimed at anyone so slovenly and lazy that they don't clean their sensitive electronic equipment. (not "you" personally) I'm not playing semantic games, though, so I refuse to even acknowledge this poiint again.
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There’s a little well know atmospheric phenomenon call dust.
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Which can be overcome by a very well known phenomenon called "cleaning". You do it to your car, your house, and even your underware. How much more so should it be done to your valuable electronics.
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Over time this dust builds up inside the moving parts of the fans inside a computer. Eventually this dust becomes so thick that it clogs the fans and they stop moving.
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Much more commonly, it breeds little bunnies which weave a web of dirty hair over all the cooling holes and slots, even clogging heatsinks. Those are the real killers.
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Now, most of my clients aren’t aware of this problem and sure as hell don’t call them slobs, I just educate them on the importance of having your computer cleaned every 6 months at the very latest’s and since BladeWarrior may not have been aware of this, I decided to mention this leading cause of computer hardware failure.
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It's good that you do educate them. But it's nothing that cannot be found in any owner's manual. So the blame for such things still falls back on the owner. Failure to educate oneself about the proper operation of any piece of technology can (usually) only be attributed to the primary user. Lawyers make sure that companies spend all sorts of money to protect them from the "I didn't know" defense. If we aren't educated by now on how to use our consumer products - read between the lines - how to read the *instructions* - then God help us all....
But I applaud you for taking the time, even if I don't agree with you on all points.
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Oh but I do know what I’m talking about, not to mention every single one of my client trust my knowledge and experience. I’m just sorry if it’s not what you like to hear.
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What I like to hear is the facts - good, bad, or indifferent. Take that however you like.
Nice chatting with you.
To the moderator - relax. You've got real trolls and flamers around here. I'm a pussycat by comparison to most of your real villains.
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