Universal Health Care

October 14, 2007, 7:58 PM

Okay, this is a subject about which I feel -very- strongly. I bet most people don't really care, but I'm interested in hearing everyone's opinions.

What does everyone think about universal health care? As you may know, the United States currently does not have universal health care; Europe and Canada do. There are a few politicians who are interested in implementing the universal health care system in America, and probably fashioning it out of the Canadian system.

Personally, I think universal health care fucking sucks. I have a bit of experience with it because my parents are from Quebec. To me, it's like communism-- it looks great on paper, but realistically, it doesn't work very well. While it is true that under universal health care, everyone has access to medical care, the medical care provided is sub par.

(Just as an aside: I don't think President Bush should have vetoed the health care bill that would have provided health care to working class family's children. I think that was a good bill. I'm just against universal health care that would essentially deprivatize the medical industry.)

October 15, 2007, 2:02 AM

I think that is pretty unfair of them agree with universal health care. Sure it's great for all but the doctors won't be as good. There is a reason why we pay so much money to doctors. (As well as insurance.) As you said before America has the best doctors.

True it does remind me a bit about communism.

Not to mention....what will happen with the issue with illegal immigrants? It's unfair that they could received it as well or somehow exploit it. Possibly sell fake health care cards as they do with social security cards.

I just hope politicians realized this.

October 15, 2007, 3:18 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...sts/index.html

Gee, what a terrific system. Sounds a lot like what goes on in Canada. The two-tier system is such bullshit and completely ineffective. I hate universal health care

October 15, 2007, 8:44 PM

If it's anything like the English NHS, I bet it blows chunks. They are actually trying to privatise everything here, meaning less people can afford good quality healthcare, and the NHS is going completely down the pan.

October 15, 2007, 8:50 PM

Hey, you get what you pay for... Cheap things tend to be shitty, and nothing's free.

October 15, 2007, 11:39 PM

As a person, who lives in Britain, I can tell you that the National Health Service, NHS, lacks greatly in quality. Far too regularly, you hear that the NHS doesn't provide this, or doesn't provide that, or isn't efficient enough when dealing with another thing. However, as I've grown up with such a health service, I take it for granted. When we were in Florida around ten years ago, my mother slipped at the poolside and fractured her elbow. The health service was so much different to the procedures and such that we have here. It IS something that is worth having, but it currently needs a lot of maintainance.

February 22, 2008, 4:35 PM

Personally, I believe that state healthcare neccessary to a person's physical wellbeing should be a right to everyone within its jurisdiction, regardless of social-economic status. I think it should be a staple of a modern country. Small fees/national health insurance, fair enough if it reduces taxes slightly, but treatment always be provided to citizens, regardless.
The only thing I don't agree with is illegal immigrants coming to Britain to get our "free" healthcare when Britons are in long, long waiting lists already. It's not perfect, but it's fair to those who cannot afford that surgery they need, and charities cannot always pay for.
Higher taxes, true, but in a progressive and streamlined tax system, would you rather miss out on a certain percentage per month or find that you're screwed when you get an otherwise curable form of cancer that will break you one way or another?

Discuss.

February 27, 2008, 6:29 PM

I'll assume that no-one wants to dispute whether or not every human(except maybe horrible scum) should have the right to healthcare.
Why bother?

February 27, 2008, 7:13 PM

Every human should have the right to free healthcare.

I agree with what you said about how unfair it is that Immigrants come in to take advantage also.

February 28, 2008, 12:28 AM

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I agree with what you said about how unfair it is that Immigrants come in to take advantage also

dam those immigrants right? how dare they come along and have access to healtrhcare, an inalienable right. Espicially if these immigrants have come from third world countries, and its the British/French/Belgian or any colonial powers fault for screwing up their country. Dam equality is a load of shit right????

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you're screwed when you get an otherwise curable form of cancer

cancer isnt curable, you can keep it at bay, but it will never go away, chemo-theropy, does a hell of a lot of damage to the human body.

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Personally, I believe that state healthcare neccessary to a person's physical wellbeing should be a right to everyone within its jurisdiction, regardless of social-economic status

unfortunately it doesnt work that way, in america you get great healthcare, providing you can afford it, if you cant then too bad, that is how a market economy works.
Doctors have to be paid.

Or you can have a command economy, where all public healthcare is free like Cuba, who have great doctors.