Clinton Vs. Obama - Page 2

April 22, 2008, 2:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Contra Fates

Well, today is the day in Pennsylvania. I'm rooting for Hillary to kick his ass, because it's the last chance she'll get. D=

You want Clinton kick his ass?
I've always thought of presidents as being representatives of their parties, not themselves. You are gloryfying Clinton, when in reality one democratic president is not going to be hugely different from another.
Presidents need the support of congress, therefore no president has independent power(checks and balances).
So, people vote for parties, not individuals.
People saying if Obama wins the democratic nomination I'll vote for McCain is just being anti-Obama-ish.
Obama isn't a fool, he won't be manipulated. He may lack political experience, but that is what gives him his popularity. He isn't a cynic like so many other politicians, he believes in change, and people can tell he clearly believes in it. People are voting with their hearts and not their brains, that may be irrational. However he is the only candidate that could bring change. I say could, I don't believe he will, but Obama represents hope. And people like to have hope. I think Kerry said something about the only positive of Bush's administration is that at least someone great like Obama will be president after. Now that is total bullshit, I doubt if Bush wasn't viewed as negatively as he was, Obama would be a lot less popular.

However, the whole thing is counter productive. Neither Clinton or Obama are making themselves look better, they are just making each other look worse.

April 22, 2008, 5:19 PM

Wow. Talk about some harsh posts earlier. Oh, well.

Well, I voted about half an hour ago. Admittedly, I hadn't done much research on either candidate. I'm not well-versed on politics. I looked into it a bit--and read some of the posts in this thread for additional insight--and decided that I'd vote for Hillary. She seems more professional and experienced. Besides, I'm tired of watching Obama's damn campaign advertisements on television. I'd refrain from voting for him outta spite...

**Battle Royale: Profiles** · April 22, 2008, 6:24 PM

That's awesome to hear from Koloth and Mister Poop that you have voted. Hopefully my post helped to give you some insight on the two candidates, Mister.

And, Iago, I understand Obama's draw because he's charismatic and unlike most politicians, but I also agree with what you said...about people voting irrationally. It's true that I support Hillary, but I started out SUPPORTING OBAMA.

I fell for the whole charming image and his words of change and hope, but then when a friend asked me why I supported him, I couldn't give her an answer. My economics teacher forced us, as a research assignment, to research each main candidate, and after doing that...I really discovered that Clinton had much more to offer than Obama did. I made it quite clear in my super-long post on the previous page...why I feel that Obama isn't at all worthy or prepared for the Presidency.

And, also, I'm aware that we're more-so voting for a party, but that isn't always the case. If the President him/herself didn't have any impact on how the country is run, than we wouldn't have any right to call any of them a 'good' President or a 'bad' President, since they're all fault should lie with the party. That last comment could be true to an extent, but it is the President who is looked to for guidance, and to propose some of the ideas that will hopefully be passed.

I believe Obama will be faced with harsh reality if he is put into office, and realizes that the political system isn't the way he wants it to be. In fact, he complains about that now. Clinton, on the other hand, knows how the system is, thoroughly, and I believe she will find less resistance from congress and the senate, as a result of that.

Now, if it's really true that she will have issues because she is a woman, than this country really has a lot of growing up to do.

April 22, 2008, 7:06 PM

I really don't understand what people see in Obama to be honest... :/ I could see Obama being the next Jimmy Carter. Right now we need a president who can handle a declining economy and someone who can resolve the war in Iraq. I don't think Obama is a good choice right now. It seems to me that young people are voting for him because he's a cool idealistic guy, and women are just voting for him because he's cute.

I haven't seen the Pennsylvania debate yet. Although Hilary messed up a bit on her campaign, she is still standing up strong and isn't willing to give up. That does show a lot about her as a person. After all, we need a tough president that isn't going to fall back. *cough*Jimmy Carter*cough*

As for parents and I, we voted for Hilary. If she doesn't win the primaries, my parents and I will be voting for McCain.

April 23, 2008, 3:02 AM

I believe Hillary won Pennsylvania today. She had a 53% to 47% edge with about 90% of the votes tallied.

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Originally Posted by Contra F.

Hopefully my post helped to give you some insight on the two candidates, Mister.

Yes, ma'am, thank you. I looked over your post closely. Lots of strong points. I didn't base my decision solely on this thread, but I found myself unable to disagree with most of what I read (from all of the posts, really).

**Battle Royale: Profiles** · April 23, 2008, 3:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister Poop

I believe Hillary won Pennsylvania today. She had a 53% to 47% edge with about 90% of the votes tallied.

Yes, ma'am, thank you. I looked over your post closely. Lots of strong points. I didn't base my decision solely on this thread, but I found myself unable to disagree with most of what I read (from all of the posts, really).

I'm really glad it helped you in your decision.

As for the results, the most recent I've been seeing [and I've been keeping a lot of track on it], it's a 54% win with 66% of the precincts reporting. Hopefully the rest of the precincts show more of a win for Hillary, since she really needs all the delegates she can get.

April 23, 2008, 3:45 AM

I've been reading about clinton. She offers improved and cheaper healthcare with more choices. Tax cuts for the middle classes and other things.
Yet she doesn't mention where all this money is coming from. She says some things will face cuts, she doesn't say which things will be having their budgets cut.

Clinton wants to bring back the troops and then to hand Iraq over to the UN and neighbouring countires. Considering the UN is pathetic, which country is Iraq's largest neighbour? Iran.
Is it likely that this will happen? I doubt it, so therefore most likely Saudi will be in charge of stabilsing Iraq. And who will be controlling Saudi, America no doubt, it's just the Dawes plan but with Iraq instead of money.
That's just speculation though.

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I am usually not one to be taken back by videos...but, COME ON. For someone who is always babbling about how much he loves America and how much great change he promises to bring....YET HE WON'T EVEN SALUTE THE FLAG?!

ZOMG GUISE HE AINT WEARN D AMERIKAN FLAG LAPPEL PIN. HE R TERRORIST.

Can someone tell me what Hillary plans to do about the economy?

**Battle Royale: Profiles** · April 23, 2008, 3:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Iago

ZOMG GUISE HE AINT WEARN D AMERIKAN FLAG LAPPEL PIN. HE R TERRORIST.

Can someone tell me what Hillary plans to do about the economy?

I could care less whether or not Obama wears the pin. It's the fact that during a performance of The Star-Spangled Banner, when EVERYONE ELSE is properly and proudly saluting the flag...and Obama is -NOT-...AT ALL, THAT is something that sends a horrible message for me. Did you watch that video link? Or are you only commenting on the stupid debate question about Obama not wearing a flag pin?

As for Clinton's economic plan, she has a pretty detailed $70 billion plan to boost the economy, which involves ridding of tax-cuts for the wealthy, and putting in a lot of money for freezing foreclosures, freezing ballooning mortgage rates, creating a lot of new jobs in the energy industry [in order to discover more efficient ways of using energy], and she also wishes to put more money into unemployment insurance, to help those struggling to find work. There's a lot more to it, but that's what I can remember from memory. Her website details everything else.