My gosh, I love this place. People around here have something other than air in their heads, and are able to come up with good arguments and go about making those arguements intelligently.

If you don't mind, Katsky, I'm going to go about answering these partially out of order.

Laws against crimes that contain a victim are just? Well, maybe. But what about that crime's punishment? Who's to say without the slightest doubt what the punishment for having broke that law ought to be? One group of people may say the punishment for the crime is too harsh, another group of people may think it's not harsh enough. And of course, those peoples' opinions on it would be influnced by their undefinable ideas of "good" and "evil".

I still say that the person stolen from should've been able to do something to protect their belongings or money. (By the way - No, I have never and would never steal anything.) Maybe in the case of common people you're right about this one. But, are ALL cases of stealing wrong in your opinion? (You make it sound so.) What about a Robin Hood sort of situation? That would of course be going against the law, and there would be a victim. Hope you don't mind me picking your brain on that one, I'm very interested in your answer.

I never said that, and I don't agree with it, which makes me think either I'm not being clear enough about my line of thought, or you're just not getting what I'm saying. I don't agree with physical violence unless that violence was was started by someone else and the original target of the violence is the one finishing things. In which case, of course, I don't think anyone should start physical violence.

You're taking the example I used for theivery and putting it with something else, making this one invalid. I covered the rape one:
See?
And as for the shit I'm smoking, Camel Wides. Nothing but nicotine. (Unless someone laced my smokes. =P)

Ah, you've pulled out a pocket ace. I do think that in cases like this, there should be institutions who that would take care of that. If a parent beats a child, they obviously don't want the child, and therefore that child should be taken away. Not a matter of law really, but a matter of the child's mental condition.

The thing about laws is, that they set down an objective set of rules which must be obeyed, or one will be a criminal should they be found guilty. They say what people legally can and cannot do. If people do not obey, they must be punished.
Legislation exists so that societies do not have to go through a endless philosophical debate every time someone commits what is considered by some an undesirable act, and to prevent undesirable acts and incidents happening in the first place, and so on. What would it be like if there was a massive argument about right and wrong on top of investigation and trial? ... oops, a fair trial is something enshrined in the constitutions of most, if not all, first world nations. Laws both protect and restrict.
Of course, everyone should know the purpose of law.

I think what Maternus getting at was that if victims do not protect their things in the first place, then it's their fault.
Well, I agree that people should take due care with their things, and not leave their possessions vulnerable to theft by the most petty, unskilled thief.
You can't lock everything up in a coded biometric safe, in a tungsten vault underneath the sea, protected by loyal armed guards, but surely it is not too much to protect things relative to their value?
Thieves will always evolve new methods to bypass security, but basic security is bound to lower the chances. That risk is constantly there, it's just a matter of probability, in a sense.
Are people supposed to lock down everything and bury their heads in the ground because there is a small risk of being stabbed to death? It is the criminal, after all, who commits the crime. If we blamed the offended, and not the offender, society would collapse.
Besides, I don't think that many insurers will pay out if people do not take appropriate security measures in the first place.

This is a very sereous matter and i agree fully that its a fucked up system
the way that they practically Just let the rapist go free is enough to make my blood boil.